I left KK for a few reasons. Not just Kimmer/Heidi or whomever she is. However, I have to say I am so tired of everywhere I go in the LC community all the negative stuff plastered all over the place. If I want to know more about the scam/scammer, I can go read the sites where all the stuff is posted. I choose not to. Some of the forums here even, have some kind a negative Kimmer/Kimkins thread going on. I read one, that was enough for me. I am here to learn how to LC properly, not continue the KK drama. I have just reached a point where I don't want to have to be constantly reminded of the negative side of it anymore. It is depressing. It's like being reminded on a daily basis of how stupid I was. It makes it hard to move on.

That's my beef.

Jimmy - I hope this was not out of line. This was not directed at any one in particular, nor am I trying to suggest to you how to run your forum. I just wanted to get it off my chest. It really is just so depressing.

OceanBlue I understand how you feel. I can't deny that I have been vocal in a couple of posts I have written on my blog on the subject, but I'm kind of sick of it too. I think many people feel the same way you do, but they are approaching their anger and "feeling stupid" in a different way thus all the venting and gossip.

I know I speak for Jimmy when I say he respects your opinion and the right to express it and of course extends the same respect and rights to all other members on this forum.

I am going to try and be patient while this whole thing dies down. If it really upsets you then just don't open the thread. Don't let it ruin your own personal journey. That is behind us all now regardless of what happens to Kimmer. Best to you with your continued efforts!

I agree that we shouldn't obsess over the Heidi issue, Boo. But it is somewhat therapeutic for the former members to let out their frustration about the situation with each other. We do keep those threads contained in areas like this one ("What's Your Beef?") and not in the Atkins forum for example. Skip over these threads if they concern you, Boo, and nobody will ever fault you for doing so. Soon we'll all be saying Heidi who?

Boo, I was thinking about the same thing earlier today. I would like to move on from KK, too, but I find myself thinking about it and the controversy, etc. I do vent about it and have written about it but I've kept it pretty much to my journal and my blog. Because I am here for the same things as you I try to find only the posts relating to low carb/Atkins.

It will go away soon!

Robin

I'm sorry if I offended you..in any way.

Carolyn - like I said, it's not directed at anyone in particular. I'm just struggling right now with increasing calories. When you have to deal with it on a daily basis, it takes a toll sooner or later. No offence taken.

Jimmy - you're right. One day it will all just seem like a bad dream. Thanks for providing a place to vent without fear of reprisals. This is the only place I come anymore. I will just continue to skip over those threads.

OceanBlue -- LOVE your avatar photo!

I have been feeling the same way today. I like what Jimmy said about "transitioning". Perhaps this is just part of the process.

Here's the quote I found:
The stages Kubler-Ross identified are:

Denial (this isn't happening to me!)

Anger (why is this happening to me?)

Bargaining (I promise I'll be a better person if...)

Depression (I don't care anymore)

Acceptance (I'm ready for whatever comes)


I wrote in my journal tonight that I sort of feel like I'm in the "depression" stage, but without "sadness".

Makes me wonder what the NEXT stage will be like. I'm looking forward to having just a distant memory of all of this.

Hang in there. I'm trying to hang in there too!

I think it is a process..My friend is going through a divorce now and her counselor tells her that it is a process..And I have seen her progress back to wholeness. A MUCH more mature and wiser woman.

Just keep going forward in your own weight journeys and ignore posts that
drag you back in. Some people grieve differently than others and we have to respect that.

I've known Kimmer for 6 years when she was way back on the LCFs board, so many of us really got to know her.. ..so this wasn't a big surprise to some of us..

Blessings and hugs to you all..

THANKS BOO! We have better things to talk about than you know who.

What all of us ex-kimkins folk need to do is learn the lessons involved.

Just think of the experience we have gained by going through this. Some of us having varying degrees of emotional and physical pain from this.

My lessons:

1. People are not as perfect as their self-run PR says they are.

2. There really are no short cuts.

3. Beware of anyone who spouts hatred. Comments like 'fatkins' and the like. To me Hatred is a sign of an 'issue'. You can tell hatred by the feelings you get from the posts.

Hey Hogfan, I just laughed out loud over your description of the story. The 300 lb, mentally ill, bald woman really made a funny picture in my brain. I am glad to see you here. Have any of the other guys come over?
Has anyone heard from Pallbear? He hasn't been on the other site for such a long time. I was worried about him.

I was Queenbe on the "other site". LA LINDA now.

Good Luck and Happy Losing!!!

LA Linda !!! WOO HOO , Sooo glad to see you here !! I wondered about Pallbear too .

See you if the 50+ nesters forum . hugs , Patti

I, too, am really sick of hearing about the whole Kimkins/Kimmer debate and drama. I moved here to get over it and I do understand that I don't have to go to the threads, but it seems like it is in every forum.

I understand the need to "get the feelings out", but please be understanding of those of us who the drama affects negatively.

My lessons learned:

1) no more "fad" diets!!!! I want the tried and true (like a 35 year track record from Dr. Atkins)

2) I need to check things out more thoroughly before plunking down $60! I think if I had just Googled "Kimkins" I might have found out Kimmer was a fraud before hand.

3) On the positive side - I learned that forums can be great places for information and support! I'm glad you're all here!

I agree that this will all blow over, Kimkins will go away, and we'll all be happily on our way on our new low-carb plans, losing weight and having moved through to our "acceptance" phase of the process. I'm already feeling less like a refugee, I think I'll get there soon. I think you'll know I'm there when my avatar is no longer a duck! Quack, Quack!

I understand the desire to move on and leave the unpleasantness of the situation behind, beleive me! But I also understand that many people are really hurting and need to process through that in their own way..

More, I also know that the reason people are even becoming aware and getting out is because the evidence remains out there and freshly updated. I think it is important to keep the conversation going, for the sake of those who need to hear it and get out of there.

Individuals move on when they are ready, but the conversation continues because new people leave that site every day, and add their voices and stories to the debate.

Sadly, new people join there every day, too. Hopefully, the ongoing conversation will someday put a stop to that.

Ignoring it and hoping it goes away has always been Kimmer's strategy.
Full disclosure is what will put an end to this, imo.

its like we were members of a cult and have do deprogram ourselves...Remember its not over till the fat lady sings...(bad joke)

I hear ya Hilary and would personally like to move on too. But there are BRAND NEW former Kimkins members joining here every single day, so it's still so fresh for them even though you and others have been gone for a while. Hang in there...it will pass soon.

It sounds to me like Heidi really screwed people over. I'm grateful that I never got caught up in all of that but I did do her diet for a total of 3 or 4 days before I finally gave it up for good.

Hey everyone!

I can sure understand the full run of emotions people are dealing with on the Kimkins issues...I was on Kimkins for about a month and a half or so before I stated hearing some background static and decided to check it out and see what was going on. Never being very political in nature, I read all that I could, but didn't really get my dander up and do a lot of posting so to speak. I mainly stayed in my own small group of friends that I made there...friends that I am very thankful to have made, supported, and gotten support from!

Now, I am glad to report that I think that most of us have made our way here, and hopefully we'll be able to continue on with our small group, as well as to participate in many of the other challenges and forums that you offer hear!!

It may be silly, but I am thankful for Kimkins for 2 things.

#1...Initially the program gave me hope again...that I could do this, that I wasn't alone, and that I could get help and understanding just by offering the same to others.

and #2...it has eventually led me here!!

thank you Jimmy, thank you everyone...what a great place everyone has had a hand in making!!

diane

Hi all,

Diane, I couldn't have said it better. I have kicked myself for falling for the easy way promoted by KK when as a medical professional I "should have known" it was too good to be true and dangerous besides. But, guess what, I have weight issues from the git-go, and that's how it is. I found hope again. I met people online who became friends, and I followed one of them here where we're all doing a healthier thing for ourselves while maintaining some powerful positive new ties.

So, What's Not to Like?

Love, and my apologies to anyone who has been hurt by my candor, on any thread. This has been one of the hardest challenges I've encountered recently, this betrayal of trust. I'm working my way through those DABDA categories of grief, and am almost fully into acceptance, with lapses into kicking my own butt. But that's happening less and less.

Love to all,

Sunny

Jimmy,
Thanks for helping us through all our challenges.
Sunny

WOW! It's amazing where inspiration and motivation can come from. Being very new to LC forums, I have been reading the Kimmer saga with interest.

Then I saw Dave’s signature...

"What if Our Mental focus became health?, Instead of weight loss."


Yes, yes, yes, I love that! Thank you Dave. From now on I am only going to concentrate on becoming healthy and I believe that LC is the way to achieve it.

LOL - sorry, unrelated but I felt the need to share