Minimimi
Sep 19 2007, 4:40pm
Wow, there are so many trees, I can't see the forest! (JK) I do feel lost though. I am cold and alone, and not sure which direction to go. (Damn, I hate camping!)
It has been 4 years since I last tried Atkins, and I can't remember what and how much of what to eat.
Is Atkins the right thing for me? Does any one do South Beach? (I saw that book in the book shelf while looking for my copy of Atkins) I am already in ketosis, do I start adding stuff in now? How do I get over the guilt I feel when I eat something that isn't "Kimkins Friendly"?
Can I get by with the KK Friendly food that are in my fridge now? (Ground Turkey Breast, chicken sausages, chicken breast...) Why do I feel so hopeless about this? I had never before experienced such great success with ANY weight loss program. I feel like I am letting myself down going off a program I had success with. I have gone up almost 2 lbs since I have added in more calories. But, I have also been walking/working out a lot more in the last two weeks. It was pointed out to me that the gain could just be me building up my muscle mass. Is that really a possibility, or just a nice answer to make me feel better?
Here is what I have eaten today:
One McDonalds sausage patty
One Mcdonalds Egg (Pulled with the sausage off a Sausage McMuffin w/ egg and cheese)
Half a piece of American Cheese.
3 oz of Baked Ham
.5 cup of Friendship 1% cottage cheese
1 California Avocado
For a total of:
754 calories
54 g of fat
20 carbs
49 g protein.
But I am hungry still, and dissapointed in myself for feeling that way.
I feel like tearing my hair out, but I can't discuss this with my family or they will know that I am failing. I need to put the breaks on the bad stuff now....
(Did I mention, I hate camping?!)
Anybody have any suggestions?
I'd be gratefull for any thoughts.
Amy
Low Carb Discussion Forum
Jimmy Moore
Sep 19 2007, 5:31pm
Hey Amy,
If you are still hungry, then EAT EAT EAT!!! One thing you'll learn about livin' la vida low-carb is that you need not get hungry and frustrated about this way of eating. When you are hungry, then it means your body needs food. The fattier the better and it will keep you satisfied. Of course, you combine this with a low-carb intake.
I would encourage you to keep your fat/protein/carbohydrate ratio at 60/30/10 and get those calories up to AT LEAST 1200 ASAP! YOU CAN DO THIS!!! Let everyone here help you along in this journey.
You are NOT failing, you're just on your way to better days ahead. Are you ready?
melodiegale
Sep 19 2007, 5:35pm
Hi Amy,
When I left Kimkins I didn't know what to do either and wandered around the grocery store aimlessly because I didn't have any clarity about what direction I needed to go in.
Before you do anything, please promise me you'll get your calories up to at least 1200 or more if you feel comfortable. I don't want you to do it by adding the lean protein you are used to eating, I want you to add fat. It is what your body needs right now and will not cause you to gain.
You may experience a temporary gain for a little while before resuming weight loss as your body begins to adjust. You need to add butter to your veggies, cream to your coffee, and full fat salad dressings to your salad. Don't add the carbs back stay at 20g. If you need me you can pm me with any questions you might have.
Please check out the pinned topics for Groves and Atkins and follow the links provided to get you started. You'll get through this and you won't gain your weight back. Good luck!
valerieslivingbooks
Sep 19 2007, 5:38pm
Amy, since August 1st, I have lost 5#. More on that later.
I am on my way back to goal after having a baby. My baby was born in March. For the last year before he was born, I was very sedentary, on the computer, working many, many overtime hours on our business. (Not any more though! That was temporary.)
I also didn't eat enough MEAT during the first half of my pregnancy. Just "too busy to cook." I was actually eating *less* than usual but the end result was that I gained almost 50# during this last pregnancy!! Yikes!
When my baby was born I was for sure protein deficient--very tired, low energy, very "fluffy".... I not only needed to lose fat, but I definitely needed to rebuild my lean body mass.
Kimkins--even though it's "high protein"--causes a similar protein/lean body mass deficiency. When you don't give your body either carbs *or* fat for energy, your body has *no choice* but to use your dietary protein for energy along with breaking down your lean body mass for energy.
And this is not an end-of-the-diet phenomenon; it starts the *very first week* on the full Kimkins plan, as written. Any time you restrict *both* carbs and fat, you will lose a lot more than just fat.
The super-amazing results of Kimkins on the scale are partly due to a loss of lean body mass. Losing lean body mass *DOES NOT* help you fit into smaller clothes sooner; it just makes you weaker and will eventually stall what fat loss there is.
A high-protein diet without either high fat or high carbs *will* cause a loss of lean body mass. From the beginning it will have this effect. It's not a "maybe." It's a sure thing.
So when you start giving your body enough fat for energy (looking at your menu, you should probably add a LOT of fat and more protein as well), your body will continue to lose FAT while it rebuilds your lean body mass.
So, no, it's not just said to make you feel better. It's happenin'.
BTW, are you impressed with my 5# in 6 weeks?
I thought not.... But I *am* impressed with it. I've gained health, I've massively increased my exercise endurance. I feel better and stronger.
I've also gone from not quite able to wear size 8 down to a size 3/4. I put on some size 3 slim-fit pants this morning and, uh, it wasn't uncomfortable for me! :-D
Just 5#? My guess is that my actual fat loss was somewhere around 3x that much, maybe even more. But I *needed* to gain more lean body mass for the sake of my health, and Atkins let it happen.
I was making awesome progress all along; the scale just couldn't detect it.
Just between you and me, Heidi Diaz does not understand the biochemistry of weight loss. She made up a diet that isn't new in any respect. People have been trying that for a long, long time. It's been researched time and time again for years. What I'm saying about lean body mass losses is very old news and well-established science.
Losing 5# of *weight* is nothing. There are many ways to do that within 10 days or so. The women's magazines have a new variation of that every week.
OTOH, droppping from not-quite-able-to wear a size eight to a size 3/4 in straight skirts and jeans is remarkable progress in 6 weeks.
Muscles, bones, blood, water, and digesting food all have weight, but losing them isn't in your best interests. In fact, that slim size that you long to wear will look *much* better on you if you have a good, healthy lean body mass to go with it.
Add some fat. Add some protein. Eat just as much fat and meat as you want. Being hungry is NOT a sin. If your body tells you it's hungry, eat some rich meat (best) or eggs (good) or lean meat with added fat.
Any questions, please ask. We're all here to help and support you; it's a difficult transition time, but you'll get there!
buzybee
Sep 19 2007, 6:38pm
So I feel the same way.
Confused, frustrated, anxious and hung out to dry!
Kimkins was my first diet experience with success. I dropped 32 pounds and three sizes. I've not ever done that! I did not obsess with watching my fat. I fried my eggs in butter. I used real mayo in my tuna. I ate regular ranch dressing. I didn't pour it on but dipped my fork in for flavor. I ate whole eggs not egg whites. I even ate....dare I say it....peanuts... when I needed a salty snack.
Two reasons I feel I was successful. First, the diet was a breeze. It was easy to follow and not a lot of calculations. I used The Daily Plate to keep track of what I ate. Second, was the support in the forum. I was in two very supportive threads. I didn't wander much. I didn't check out and participate in very many threads so I really was unaware of all the hoopla that was going around until one of the moderators was no longer there. Then I googled Kimkins and found all kinds of reading.
Now I've decided to switch over to Atkins but how? Do I have to start figuring out net carbs vs real carbs? Do I need to be on induction for two weeks? Do I HAVE to buy a book? (I don't want to buy a book to read. I want to print off the pages online that will tell me what I can and cannot eat) Is there a supportive community here that I can just move on with and not have to hear all the negative type comments. I understand that there are opinions and that things were not as they seemed but I want to move on. My purpose was and still is to lose this weight and I want to be in a forum community that is supportive of that. That cheers people on. That has the cute graphics, smilies, signatures with trackers so you can see how successful others are being and be inspired to keep on going. These are the things that I enjoyed and would like to still be a part of. I was mainly in challenges and boot camps. I enjoyed the friendships of those groups. Is there that same type of environment here?
| QUOTE (buzybee @ Sep 19 2007, 05:38 PM) |
Now I've decided to switch over to Atkins but how? Do I have to start figuring out net carbs vs real carbs? Do I need to be on induction for two weeks? Do I HAVE to buy a book? (I don't want to buy a book to read. I want to print off the pages online that will tell me what I can and cannot eat) Is there a supportive community here that I can just move on with and not have to hear all the negative type comments. I understand that there are opinions and that things were not as they seemed but I want to move on. My purpose was and still is to lose this weight and I want to be in a forum community that is supportive of that. That cheers people on. That has the cute graphics, smilies, signatures with trackers so you can see how successful others are being and be inspired to keep on going. These are the things that I enjoyed and would like to still be a part of. I was mainly in challenges and boot camps. I enjoyed the friendships of those groups. Is there that same type of environment here? |
www.atkins.com/articles/nutritional-approach
www.atkins.com/articles/atkins-phases/phase-one
www.atkins.com/articles/atkins-phases/phase-one/acceptable-foods/
www.atkins.com/articles/atkins-phases/phase-one/the-rules-of-induction/
www.atkins.com/articles/atkins-phases/phase-two
www.atkins.com/articles/atkins-phases/phase-three
www.atkins.com/articles/atkins-phases/phase-four
That's how you can start learning about Atkins.
If you want to do it as a lifestyle change, then I recommend getting the book. It's only a few dollars... hopefully you feel you're worth it.
Atkins isn't a "diet"... there is no "off"... there's maintenance.
buzybee
Sep 19 2007, 6:55pm
It's not a matter of not feeling "worth it". It's a matter of a very hectic life.
Mother of 10 children, one getting married in four weeks, one struggling in school and two who need to have testing done to determine if there is something that can be done in helping them with their learning style. Refinancing the house which would include an appraisal which would mean de-junking and cleaning the blessed thing from top to bottom as well as running a home based business and it being the fall selling season which is a crazy time of year without all the other things. Now this doesn't include lessons, team practices, karate tournaments, bridal showers, doctors appointments, daily care of the house ie. cleaning, laundry, ironing, food shopping, menu planning, budget keeping, etc. Soooooo, I know I'm worth it. I just don't sit down long enough to pick up a book! With my business I use a computer and internet extensively and so I'm able to jump on and post in forums and "read" for a few minutes while I'm doing other things business related. There you have the reasons.
melodiegale
Sep 19 2007, 7:58pm
buzybee, you may never entirely replace the "Kimkins" atmosphere with your experience here. I too enjoyed the support, just not the diet advise after a certain point. There are a lot of good, supportive, loving people here. You transformation can be as simple as adding more fat and upping your calories while continuing to keep the carbs at 20g.
You may do quite nicely that way until you have time to settle on something else. Creating a new "lifestyle" is a process that doesn't happen over night. Best of luck to you!
CindySue54
Sep 19 2007, 8:02pm
My personal favorite is Protein Power (PP). I eat a lot of protein, moderate fat and low carb. Some days my fat intake is higher than other days....but my protein and carbs stay about the same.
One of the books that I recommend for people new to low carb is The 30 Day Low Carb Solution, another of the PP book. It's a fairly simple explanation, instructions for the plan and a bunch of recipes. It's a good way to get started.
valerieslivingbooks
Sep 19 2007, 9:10pm
Buzybee, I'll say you are! LOL. I definitely hear ya. I have 11 dc myself, aged 17 down to 6 months. I have 8 girls and 3 boys. And we also have a full-time online business which is the sole source of income for our family. (Are you also a brunette? So far we sound almost like twins! haha)
I do think it's helpful to learn the science behind the diet at some point. Not absolutely necessary, possibly, but it helps a great deal when it comes to long-term aspects, interpreting advice, and moving to maintenance. A few pages here and there works for me. (I used to keep a copy in the bathroom; one of the few places I ever get a moment alone! LOL.)
The way you've been eating sounds a *lot more* like Atkins or Groves than strict Kimkins, BTW.
Oh.... There is an audiobook version of DANDR, I believe. Maybe one for the road? It really does help to know *why* the diet works, because there is tons of advice here, there, and everywhere and not all of it is compatible with the biochemistry at work on this plan.
(Also, this is a very positive place; I've not seen any negative ranting here. Whew!)
Jimmy Moore
Sep 19 2007, 9:30pm
Welcome BuzyBee and THANKS SJM for those links! You most certainly are welcome here at my forum and there is nothing but love and respect here by the members. We accept everyone and will help those who need it and ask for it.
Now I've decided to switch over to Atkins but how?We have an
Atkins forum where you can discuss that plan.
Do I have to start figuring out net carbs vs real carbs?It's easy to compute net carbs--total carbs minus fiber. That's it!
Do I need to be on induction for two weeks?Yes, Atkins induction is two weeks of 20g carbs daily.
Do I HAVE to buy a book?HAVE to? No. Should? ABSOLUTELY! It's only a penny plus shipping at Amazon!
Is there a supportive community here that I can just move on with and not have to hear all the negative type comments?That's why I created this forum--to be a loving and caring environment for helping to educate, encourage, and inspire others who desire weight loss and improved health. Please let me know if you EVER hear any negative comments towards you and I'll personally take care of it. Deal?
Is there that same type of environment here?I'll let YOU be the judge of that, but I happen to think it is EVEN BETTER here. Of course, I'm a bit biased.

Please feel free to contact me anytime if you need help with ANYTHING! THANKS!
buzybee
Sep 20 2007, 1:18am
Thanks for the help everyone!
I should clarify my comments about desiring an atmosphere without negativity.
I started with the Kimkins threads simply because that's where I fall in this picture. Yes, there is fall out and that is to be expected but what I didn't want was to get into an environment where is was hashing and re-hashing the same old thing. I'd like to stop beating the dead horse so to speak and get with a new program and move on. I firmly believe that our thoughts and the things we surround ourselves with determine our outcome. I wasn't trying to infer that it was a contentious or anything like that. I just need to be where the past is the past and is not referred to all the time. It's hard because many have been hurt. I understand that. I have been lucky.
Because of my busy lifestyle I haven't really been able to explore this forum. So, I guess I'm asking if there are places here that do have challenges and commitment to goals that are able to be obtained. Not unhealthy goals but reasonable. I enjoy being able to post and congratulate and also have a pat on the back when I'm doing well or the sympathetic ear when it's been a tough day. Not an enabling ear to tell me it's ok but a pull up the bootstraps and keep going, you're doing so well. I enjoyed the weight tickers in the signatures. They were so inspiring. When you could see the dedication and commitment of others you wanted to do it also. I think this is why we come over a little lost. Everyone knew the plan and here there are many plans being used so it makes it a little more difficult to settle in and "get back on that horse you just fell off". Not to mention not knowing what horse is it that I need to get on!
Thank you for mentioning the audio book! I've been listening to The Secret on audio and that will be a great option. My kids are used to a boring drive listening to "Mom's stuff" when we are out and about.

And yes, I'm a brunette although I've been accused of having blond roots by my DH (but only in jest, he's wonderful!)

I'm looking forward to exploring and seeing what and who is out there on this forum and it's nice to have a place to land. Thank you for that.
s_loveless
Sep 20 2007, 12:59pm
Buzybee --
I didn't get the impression that you thought this forum was contentious; to be honest, I think we're all watching over our shoulders a little bit. . . we're all afraid that something we say will be misconstrued. I've yet to see an angry or hurtful post in any of the other forums. There's some anger here, but never directed at each other -- only Kimkins.
There are forums organized by age, and there are weight-loss challenge forums too! There are also forums for the various LC plans, so you can ask questions to those who are on the same plan that you're on. Everyone here has been supportive and encouraging, and I'm sure they'll give a boot in the rear when you need it!
Welcome!
Sara
>>Do I need to be on induction for two weeks?
Yes, Atkins induction is two weeks of 20g carbs daily.>>
20 NET carbs! (2002 Atkins that is!)
>>I just don't sit down long enough to pick up a book! >>
Read it when you're in the bathroom!
s_loveless
Sep 20 2007, 1:14pm
| QUOTE (sjm @ Sep 20 2007, 01:03 PM) |
>>I just don't sit down long enough to pick up a book! >>
Read it when you're in the bathroom! |
SJ --
I'd love to read in the bathroom, but I haven't visited the bathroom alone since my twins learned how to crawl! They're toddlers now, and I still have company when I'm in the bathroom!
Sara
Jimmy Moore
Sep 20 2007, 3:09pm
TMI, Sara! TMI!
buzybee
Sep 24 2007, 5:47pm
I'm finding my way around this forum and feeling more and more at home each day!
It's amazing the feelings of loss and confusion that come over you when you have experienced the rug getting ripped out from under you!
I'm still looking for a challenge or two to join but haven't found one yet. I see the Halloween one in some signatures but haven't been able to locate it yet.
Any cheerleaders out there on threads? I wasn't one but I sure appreciated the efforts of those who were. I'm still trying to find a thread or two to spend my limited time in. I can't do the whole forum thing. I have to stick with one or two.
The mood here on this forum is supportive and helpful. Everyone is very kind.
Jimmy Moore
Sep 24 2007, 7:28pm
Hey Debie and welcome to my forum! I'm so happy to have you here and invite you to join in on the challenges in that thread:
http://www.lowcarbdiscussion.com/index.php?c=8&Let me know if there are any questions you might have and I'm happy to address them anytime.

Again, WELCOME!!!
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