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knoxvegas
huh.gif Okay, so I went to Borders today to try and find Atkins 72 ummm nope. But they did have DANDR, but I bought ATKINS ESSENTIALS. So tell me, oh wise ones, what am I doing? I have not read anything yet, I am at work, so did I mess up? I also bought a book called ATKINS SHOPPING GUIDE. Oh, and I even went to EarthFare and bought a jar of NUTIVA coconut oil, b/c a few of you were raving about it, and I wanted to try it. Maybe it will stop my hair from falling out?!! unsure.gif
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ChrissyLizzy
C wink.gif - I know some of these great people here will help w/ the Atkins question because I'm still learning too! biggrin.gif But, one thing I will say about the hair issue.. yes the fat will help. Also try Nioxin. It is a hair care treatment that you can get at Ulta or another beauty supply store. It really helped me. I also take about 5000mcg of biotin as well.. I think it was the combo of all 3 that finally helped stop mine. Love ya girl!

s_loveless
Hey, Knoxvegas --

I haven't read Atkins Essentials, so I can't comment on that. I tried to buy a copy of Atkins 72 used on Amazon, and ended up with two copies of DANDR. . ? Oh, well -- I only paid $.95 for both of 'em.

In a nutshell, the first two weeks on Atkins is called Induction; carbs under 20 grams/day, unrestricted fat, calories, or protein. No milk, yogurt, etc., but up to 4 oz. cheese daily and limited heavy cream. Veggies are great, but be aware of which ones are starchy and which ones aren't. . .

I used the last of my NUTIVA coconut oil last night making coconut oil chocolate bark. . . smile.gif I've had good results with it. As far as the hair loss, increasing my fat seems to have helped already. In another thread, Christin recommended a biotin supplement and NIOXIN products for stopping the fallout and prompting new growth. . .

Hope this helps, and sorry it's so wordy. . . biggrin.gif

Sara
s_loveless
QUOTE (ChrissyLizzy @ Sep 19 2007, 05:12 PM)
C wink.gif - I know some of these great people here will help w/ the Atkins question because I'm still learning too! biggrin.gif But, one thing I will say about the hair issue.. yes the fat will help. Also try Nioxin. It is a hair care treatment that you can get at Ulta or another beauty supply store. It really helped me. I also take about 5000mcg of biotin as well.. I think it was the combo of all 3 that finally helped stop mine. Love ya girl!

Sorry, Christin -- I guess I was still yammering on in my response when you posted yours. . . rolleyes.gif

Sara
sjm
QUOTE (knoxvegas @ Sep 19 2007, 03:34 PM)
huh.gif Okay, so I went to Borders today to try and find Atkins 72 ummm nope. But they did have DANDR, but I bought ATKINS ESSENTIALS. So tell me, oh wise ones, what am I doing? I have not read anything yet, I am at work, so did I mess up? I also bought a book called ATKINS SHOPPING GUIDE. Oh, and I even went to EarthFare and bought a jar of NUTIVA coconut oil, b/c a few of you were raving about it, and I wanted to try it. Maybe it will stop my hair from falling out?!! unsure.gif

Atkins 1972 is out of print... you should be able to find a copy on eBay. However, my opinion is that you should "do" 2002 Atkins... take advantage of the 30 years of science and research! The '72 Atkins is a good read, but...

Atkins Essentials is a quick study on Induction. ... it doesn't, however, deal with OWL, pre-maintenance, or maintenance. For doing all the phases of Atkins, you really need Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution.

The shopping guide... I'd return it... most of those things don't exist any more... so you'll be looking in vain for a product that doesn't exist.

Do you think Atkins done properly will make your hair fall out?
Jimmy Moore
NEVER! Atkins gives you too much fat to EVER make your hair fall out. smile.gif
Sandi
ATKINS ESSENTIALS
I could be wrong, but I think that was written after he died and it uses alot of the Atkin products.
sandi
sjm
QUOTE (Sandi @ Sep 19 2007, 04:55 PM)
ATKINS ESSENTIALS
I could be wrong, but I think that was written after he died and it uses alot of the Atkin products.
sandi

Yes, it was written after he died.

It does mention Atkins products... about 39 times (yes, I counted them). But it doesn't advocate using them. It still focuses on the principles of Atkins... whole, unprocessed foods.

And there are WARNINGS in big type all through the book, that they aren't necessary and that if they stall your weight loss, you should stop using them.

Regardless of when it was published, it did an excellent job of explaining Induction.

And it has a great FAQ section, and some tips on eating out.

So... it's worth it, in my opinion.

There's "products" mentioned in every DANDR... let's not throw the book out because of that!

(I used to rant on the book, too... then I read it!)
sjm
QUOTE (livinlowcarbman @ Sep 19 2007, 04:44 PM)
NEVER! Atkins gives you too much fat to EVER make your hair fall out. smile.gif

Actually, you can lose hair... in some amounts... it's the change in your diet that does it.

It can happen with any big change in your eating!
Charles
Welcome, Knoxvegas. It's worth it to find the DANDR and give it a good read. Don't just go for the rules, go for the philosophy.

Best regards,

Charles
Dave
I am pretty sure that Inductions is 1 week in Atkins 72.

We have a 72 forum here anyway.

Good luck
Sparkys Girl
Welcome!!!

I wouldn't obsess about which version of Atkins to try. They aren't all that different once you get past phase 1 (or what is called induction in DANDR). The older version doesn't discuss use of lc products (they really didn't exist back when it was written) and relies on basics.

Our great Atkins '72 moderator Bella has posted the guidelines here if you are interested in seeing the differences. If you have a specific questions about '72, that would be the best area to post them in. biggrin.gif

You are right Dave. I was just flipping through my old book and see where it says to do phase 1 for the first week at a minimum. Then he discusses several questions to ask yourself before determining you are ready for phase 2.
knoxvegas
Thank ya'll, I appreciate the input, I did get to read some last night. I guess I will take the shopping guide back and put it towards DANDR. Coconut chocolate bark? YUM-E! Will have to get that recipe! After induction, of course?! Christin, I will have to try the Biotin, do you get it at a health food store? Is it a capsule? Basically what I have is the "Cliff notes" version of Atkins? Works for me! (I HOPE)
sjm
You should be able to buy Biotin at any place that sells supplements and vitamins. You don't need to go to a health food store unless you want to.
Ritmeyer
Knoxsvegas, Welcome.

Also the atkins website is helpful, it explains each phase. Of course read the book, I continue to read it often. But a huge help to me during induction was that I printed off the induction page http://www.atkins.com/articles/atkins-phas...ceptable-foods/ and carried it with me for 3 weeks. If it wasn't on the list, it didn't go in the tummy. The only other Atkins book I have is Atkins for Life in addition to DANDR.
Jiller
Anyone taking any other supplements with Atkins? I've been taking omega 3s and I'm going to add biotin for my hair loss. I've been noticing the hair in the shower drain, but today I noticed my hair clips sliding out and my pony tail is thinner. Argh.

Off to buy Nioxin. Thanks for the tip.
knoxvegas
wink.gif Right behind you for the Biotin...pretty soon I will have no hair left. It still sheds, and not just the normal daily that everyone has. YIKES!! So very happy to be here! Thank you Jimmy biggrin.gif
Jimmy Moore
THANK YOU Knoxvegas! I'm happy you're here, too.
EtheralKim
I have to say when starting Atkins DANDR is your best bet. My opinion wink.gif

Jiller, As far as supplements I take:

Centrum Carb Assist or a prenatal (I am trying for a baby too)
500 mg Calcium
1000 mg Vitamin C
Cranberry capsule
Milk thistle
Super B Complex


knoxvegas
dry.gif I know I read someone talking about ground beef, that it was okay as a meat on Atkins, or did I just imagine that? I can NOT find that topic, and we eat a lot of burgers at my house, and I have tried to make turkey burgers. Wow my family does not dig those! Ground beef patty in a big ole leaf of lettuce?! Yay or nay?
Jimmy Moore
YES, you can eat AND SHOULD EAT ground beef on Atkins. It's a keeper! biggrin.gif
Charles
Yes, Yes, and Yes. Did I say Yes? Fatty ground beef, Yea! Can I come over?
knoxvegas
laugh.gif Of course, you all are invited!!! I love to grill, and do about everynight except for "grocery store night". I have two boys(three counting my DH) wink.gif And going to the store is an EVENT!!! I am so happy you said yes about the burgers, I think it was a post from you, Charles, I was reading but couldn't find it again. I am trying to filter out the bad WOE, while reading my Atkins info. and find myself confused!
Jimmy Moore
I'm there...you're only three hours away! biggrin.gif
knoxvegas
The more the merrier, my kid's would drive you crazy tho! ohmy.gif
susanmarie
QUOTE (livinlowcarbman @ Sep 21 2007, 02:30 PM)
YES, you can eat AND SHOULD EAT ground beef on Atkins. It's a keeper! biggrin.gif

Hey...I gotta share my favorite ground beef tip. I brown an onion and red/orange pepper with 3 lbs of ground beef (higher fat as Dave mentioned) and season the whole thing nicely with just salt and pepper.

Then I keep the whole thing in the fridge and make a billion things with it all week, like:

- Philly Cheese "steak" omelettes

- Creamy cheesy eggs made w/some cream cheese & eggs

- Meaty chili, just add some no-sugar added tomato product of some variety with some chili seasonings, and then either eat the chili or top an omelette with it

- Just heated up with a bit of cheese

It's great to have on hand! Enjoy!

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Cheers,
Susan
knoxvegas
Great idea! How long can you keep ground beef cooked in the fridge? The Philly cheese steak thing, how do you make it?
susanmarie
Hmm...I think the "food police" would say 4 days, but I've kept this for as long as 5--it hasn't lasted beyond that.

I make a quick omelet with a Philly cheese"steak" theme, but I guess it's more like a frittata. Here's how I do it:

- Heat up your broiler

- Whisk together the required amount of eggs with a splash of water, salt & pepper (I usually use 3).

- Melt a tablespoon or so of butter in a non-stick but oven-safe skillet over medium-low heat (I use a very well-seasoned cast iron or I have used a regular non-stick and covered the handle with heavy-duty foil)

- Once the butter is melted, pour in the whisked eggs (make sure they're well mixed and a bit frothy)

- Instead of just letting the omelet cook without agitation, actually stir it slightly until it's still very runny, but looked like halfway cooked scrambled eggs. Let it cook for a few seconds without stirring to slightly set the bottom of the omelet/frittata

- Then add the warmed the beef mixture. I don't measure, I just put some on after heating it in the microwave

- Add a slice or 2 of cheese--it's usually swiss or cheddar for me

- Then I put this into the broiler, usually for just 1 minute! Even though I usually like a nice golden crust on my frittatas, for this I like the cheese to be just nice & gooey.

I then shake the pan and slide/fold it onto a plate and it comes out as nice as any omelet I've had at a restaurant. For me, this makes a nice, moist, fluffy treat that fills me up for hours. YUMMMMMMMM

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knoxvegas
That sounds divine!
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