Pat in Mich
Sep 17 2007, 1:50pm
Well, here I am beginning the second online journal I’ve kept in my life! I may even get good at this!
My story: Right after Christmas I weighed myself and was horrified to find I weighed 399.6 or 399.8…it was so traumatic I don’t remember the exact number. However, I did know if I allowed myself to go over 400 pounds, I could easily become 500 pounds or more. I love to eat and certainly have had trouble feeling satisfied when I do eat. I would eat until I was sick and still want more, it’s so sad to be that out of control.
So, I started “sort of doing” weight watchers. I say sort of because of two things. One is I didn’t follow the program (the five healthy guidelines) and two is because I would spend my points on 100 calorie packs and most days I wouldn’t even stay within my points!
Then the beginning of June I saw the now infamous Woman’s World issue that featured Kimkins diet. I was very excited…..didn’t have to exercise, drink enormous amounts of water, easy as pie as long as I ate what was on the list. Well, of course if you are in these forums, you know how that blew up! I lost 14 pounds doing the on again/off again Weight Watchers….then lost down to 330 doing Kimkins. I know logically that it is not safe to continue to eat that way so am now following Atkins Induction. I’ve gone up to 332.6 since adding vegetables but I’m quite certain once I figure out what I’m doing, the weight will come off. It’s very scary to eat so much fat but it helps to have Jimmy here and others who can atest that it’s OK…..It also helps to have people list their menus they used while in the induction phase.
What do I love about switching to Atkins…I can eat beef! I am not a fan of chicken, turkey or fish…although I will try to make some of my meals include these….but I love my beef! And I’m so very excited to eat it and not feel guilty. On Kimkins they said if you ate it, it would stall your weight loss. Well, I ate it very seldom and I had plenty of stalls…not sure if it was caused by beef or not…others had stalls that didn’t eat beef so I sort of doubt it.
I’m so thrilled to have a place to write about my challenges and chart my journey. May it give someone else that has more than 200 pounds to lose the knowledge that they can do this. Believe me, if I can do it, anyone can. I have no willpower, hate exercise, and am not that fond of drinking water. However, if I hang in there and do this two things should happen…..I should begin enjoying exercise and know the benefits of drinking water and ultimately be much healthier.
As the personal side of me, I’ve been married 39 years in February, have two wonderful daughters, a wonderful son-in-law, beautiful grand daughter and great grand son. My parents are still alive and I have three brothers. I’m close to my family and thankful we have the family we do. I work full-time for state government, like my boss and my co-workers and the work I do. Life is pretty good. So why did I stuff myself? I don’t know. I have been to therapy to figure this out and the only thing I learned is that I don’t set limits for myself. I have the same problems financially….which some day I hope to get controlled also. I was thin as a child and have a hard time seeing myself fat….which I’m sure is hard for others to believe. I have good self-esteem…thank goodness for that. None of my friends (and I’m fortunate to have many) are fat….oddly enough. They are all very supportive of me wanting to lose weight in a healthy manner. I have one friend who did lose weight on Atkins and has maintained that weight loss for years. She is my sounding board when I hit a stall or am frustrated with something. I’m not sure all my friends agree with Atkins way of eating, but like I say, none of them have a weight problem so maybe they just don’t get it!
I am thankful for Jimmy and the people in these forums. I think the support emotionally is worth more than words can describe and I look forward to learning for others and offering support where I can. My computer is broken at home so I can post only during my work day and I really am not comfortable with much of that….so until my computer at home gets fixed, or I get a new one….I will probably be much more scarce than most regulars here. It doesn’t mean I don’t care about others…just that my time Is limited online for now. I look forward to posting my successes, and my trials. Maybe what I learn on this journey can be helpful to others!
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Jimmy Moore
Sep 17 2007, 2:30pm
We're thrilled to have you here, Pat! Get that home computer fixed or a new one because we wanna see you here early and often.
Wanda
Sep 17 2007, 9:01pm
Hi Pat.
Just wanted to stop and say hi..........Just don't give yourself permission to ever go back........
Pat in Mich
Sep 18 2007, 10:57am
Thanks Wanda and Jimmy....I'm working on it! I can't go back if I want to be able to walk and enjoy life....am rereading everything until I get it correct!
melodiegale
Sep 18 2007, 11:27am
Hey Pat, I know we've talked before on other threads, just wanted to wish you the best on your journey!
ctplr2btrfly
Sep 18 2007, 12:51pm
Hi, Pat, it's AnneMarie!
I just wanted to say hello and tell you don't give up!
You are in a win/win situation b/t this forum and Atkins.
You go girl. It's good to "see" you here.
Hugs, and take care...
AM
EtheralKim
Sep 18 2007, 5:15pm
HI Pat welcome! I am a Kimkins refugee as well.
I started with K/E lost 13 lbs and then gained back 5. Since July 4th I have been fighting with those 5 lbs. I just can not stcik to Kimkins. Too restrictive.
I love Atkins and have followed it before. It works! I am starting Induction 9/20.
lcmama
Sep 19 2007, 12:56am
Hi Pat,
Tria Here. Great to see familiar faces! Good luck with this stick with it I am never going back to the old weight either!
We CAN DO this!
Jimmy Moore
Sep 19 2007, 1:08am
That's the spirit, Tria!
Pat in Mich
Sep 20 2007, 12:50pm
Thanks for everyone's support. Tria, your picture really shows how well you're doing! KUTGW!
I have to say I thought I would try to stay on the induction plan for most of my weight loss but I'm slowly changing my mind. I really want to get below 300 so I will stick with it until then, but then I will go on to the next stage OWL. I've been reading so much in here about when you keep your calories low you mess up your metabolism and you will have to maintain it with a lower calorie intake as a result. So, even though I may not lose as quickly, I think I will be better off in the long run if I add the carbs until I'm losing around 2 to 3 pounds a week. If I can maintain losing 3 pounds a week, I will be more than satisfied! It's going to be an interesting journey.
This is the second day my weight is down...very exciting for me. I know I shouldn't weigh every day, but I do. I don't let the gains upset me but the losses just make my day and motivate me more. I have so much to lose....and in saying that, it's so much less than it was a year ago. I am blessed!
Pat in Mich
Sep 20 2007, 12:54pm
Oh, I wondered what the devil all the ducks were about and then read this in Jimmy's post:
Kimmer says: "I'm naturally suspicious of anyone with a 'duck' avatar."
I don't like to be nasty but I had to change my avatar to a duck! Jimmy, if the graphics on my duck is bad for the forum/space, let me know. I didn't realize the moving stuff would copy to it!
Jimmy Moore
Sep 20 2007, 2:58pm
LOOKS GREAT, Pat!
lowcarbkitty
Sep 20 2007, 5:57pm
Hi Pat!
Just dropping by to say hello & to let you know I'm glad you are transitioning well to Atkins.
I started Atkins DANDR Induction today. Like you, I'm trying to determine how long I'll stay on Induction. Your point about having a slower weight loss in order to keep metabolism up is something I want to learn more about.
I'm glad you're doing well on the plan, Pat.... you are an inspiration to me!
KUTGW & take care!
Wanda
Sep 20 2007, 9:58pm
I was trying to figure out the duck thing too Pat....
Jimmy Moore
Sep 20 2007, 11:05pm
You did it, Wanda!
Pat in Mich
Sep 24 2007, 12:41pm
Well, here I am today, just as happy as a duck in water! Ha! My weight is down to a new low - 328.6 It's amazing to me that I am losing with the amount of food I've been eating. I've just been eating off the food list and not really keeping track of the calories, etc but I want to get back into tracking it on fitday. I have a feeling my husband is going to buy me a new computer for my birthday so then I can do that at home and spend more time on the forums and fitday or mydailyplate. My next goal for myself is to get below 300 pounds by Christmas which is entirely doable with this way of eating. I do feel better, have more energy now that my calories are higher....I'm starting to feel normal again, which probably sounds odd to anyone reading this since I'm still well over 300 pounds! Ha! Somedays I like the attention of someone noticing, other days I just wish they wouldn't mention it...that's sort of strange....not sure what that's all about.
Well, hope anyone reading this realizes if I can be successful at this, anyone can! I love food, especially carbs! But the short moment of tasting good is not worth what the pounds did to me...I could barely walk last Christmas! I was killing myself with the food I claimed to have love! So sad.
Pat, you are in inspiration! WTG and KUTGW!
kittycat7
Sep 24 2007, 2:38pm
Hi Pat!
Just stopped by to say you go girl! I'm doing Atkins also and the weight is coming off--- so there Kimkins!! Can we say starvation? Any way, I'm so happy to see you here. We "chunkle/puffie" girls gotta stick together! Wrong foods were trying to kill both of us. Aren't you moving better Pat? I know I am. My collection of canes are in the closet!! Don't need the stinkers anymore.
I am so happy you are here and livin' la vida low carb, baby. I'll check back with you soon.
Carol
vicalyn
Sep 25 2007, 10:08am
Pat, I just had to stop by and wish you the best of luck and success on your journey to health. Keep it up!
From one Michigan girl to another!
-Vicalyn
Pat in Mich
Sep 26 2007, 9:25am
Thanks Carol and Vicalyn....
Wow…I’m so frustrated…my weight was up over 331 today…..gained everything I’ve lost since doing Atkins. I have the book and I’m rereading everything. I know I haven’t given the attention to what I’ve been eating…I just printed off the list and if it was on the list I ate it. I need to really understand this way of eating and give it sufficient time to learn it. I know this is likely a water gain and it will be gone within a few days but really I do need to devote more time and attention to learning this way of eating so I can be the most successful I can be. I’m frustrated, but not to the point of giving up or having a binge by any means. I’ll get there!
kittycat7
Sep 26 2007, 11:57am
Hey pat,
Good attitude! You know I find if I eat more than 20-25 gm. carbs I gain or stall, so you might look at that. Just do your fitday or daily plate or whatever you're doing and see how the numbers come out. Here's a link that will help you see how much fat and protein and calories you should eat-you will be amazed!
http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/Love ya girl,
Carol
Jimmy Moore
Sep 26 2007, 1:42pm
Give it time, Pat! You'll LOVE the results coming soon.
ctplr2btrfly
Sep 26 2007, 1:58pm
HI, Pat! It's like Carol said---everyone has an effective carb count for LOSING. Most of us are so sensitive if we go over that at all we stall or go up on our water weight. My number one sinister villian is "low carb" products. I can't use them at all. The only exception is Atkins shakes, but I do get tired of them so I don't use them much anyway. One other thing is find out your BMR. That will tell you how many calories you need to eat to maintain, and then per BamGal's advice, reduce that by 500 calories and therein is your calorie solution to lose. Remember you have to eat enough, too. I didn't eat enough Sunday or Monday, and was stuck. I made sure to meet my req's yesterday, and the whoosh fairy visited me last night. You can do it girl. We're all here for you and rooting for you.

AM
Pat in Mich
Sep 28 2007, 11:59am
Thanks Carol, AM, Jimmy.....well, I'm posting this since it's my journal! I did a stupid thing yesterday, and I have absolutely no excuses. It started with a finger lick of frosting from a cake at work...got the frosting on my finger when cleaning up after a baby shower at work. Then I had a few nuts that had m&m's in them (three m&m's). Then a bite of raspberry cheesecake thing...then at home...cleaned out the peanut butter jar, ate 4 single sized servings of peanuts, and a piece of pineapple upside down cake! I went to bed at 10 p.m., woke up at 12:30 a.m. so sick I could hardly stand it! I'm sure it was the sugar because I have not eaten any sugar since June 4. Well, none that was blatantly sugar...like I'm sure there was some sugar in something because I've kept it at under 20 carbs and some things just have sugar in them...but let me tell you, I will not be doing that again. Like I said, I have absolutely no excuse.....but it was a good lesson learned. Today I'm eating strictly Atkins Induction...will do that and be faithful (not even a sunflower seed) for at least two weeks. I never want to feel like I did last night. And how can I let down the people who support me here! I want to be successful, I will be successful...it's just a matter of choices! Have a great week-end everyone. We here in Michigan are facing a government shutdown...it's not pretty. Probably (hopefully) only a day or two....and they have until Sunday to come up with a balanced budget. By the way, I think the gal's name is Linda Sue who has posted a ton of recipes....I'm eating the cheeseburger quiche right now and it's wonderful. It has mayo, eggs, cream, cheese, onions, gr beef....tons of calories but 2 carbs per serving and so very tasty and filling! Thanks to the gal who posted it!
Pat in Mich
Sep 28 2007, 12:14pm
Carol, I love that site. I was worried about eating too much and it looks like I've cut my calories too low! I think it says I have to eat 2598 to maintain, and not to cut more than 1,000 a day. I've got to go read more on those sites...but it's very interesting. Oh, I started using fitday again today. I tried mydailyplate, I love some of the features it has...but I must have just gotten use to fitday so it's a little easier. I just want to get below 300 by Christmas and it's definitely doable if I get busy! I really haven't started exercising yet either. I know it's not an option. I have tried to walk more and am cleaning house every night instead of just on Saturday's. So my movement has been up, but I won't kid myself and count that as exercise!
Thanks again!
Gagyrl
Sep 28 2007, 12:40pm
Hi Pat- Thanks for popping in my journal and I think to have gone far as you did with no sugar was A MIRACLE in itself. Today is Day 2 for me and although I am not following a specific plan you could say that I am kinda doing Atkins. I just wanted to say you are WONDERFUL and I am wishing you the best. - Manie
Pat in Mich
Oct 1 2007, 11:46am
Thanks Manie! Well, I really messed myself up this week-end. Had raspberries twice (the entire pint each time!). Also had two potato chips two different times. I bought some flaxseed flour, I need to correct the potty problems and I'm hoping this will do it. I couldn't find the stuff that starts with P....I need to get serious with induction so I can start losing again. Also bought some south beach peanut butter bars and some Atkins breakfast bars (the variety box). OK...these are not a good thing for me. I'm continuing to read the Atkins book but subconsciously I've given myself permission to eat things I know I shouldn't be. I've pretty much wasted September so now it's time to get busy. I need to get over the emotions about Kimkins, I'm feeling much better physically, no more leg cramps....September 1st I weighed 335.2, today I weighed 329.6 so I'm still on the downswing...but it should have been better and had I followed induction or even the second stage of Atkins, I know it would have been less. Today is October 1st so perfect time to start anew! I need to find some way to handle the evening "snackies"! I did make Jann's coconut bark and it was good. The splenda didn't get mixed in very well so I'm going to make it again and just sprinkle it on the top of it once I pour it in the pan. I also want to get some sugar free popsicles again...my freezer needs to be cleanout out a little though before I do it. And, I need to force myself to make some recipes up so I will be ready to eat when I'm hungry! I'm not sure what happened to my discipline but I need to find it again. I don't want to starve myself but I do want to follow the induction guidelines so I can be successful. I can still be 100 pounds down by Christmas if I get serious....My first mini goal with Atkins will be to weigh 299.6 by December 25!
kittycat7
Oct 1 2007, 5:01pm
Pat-you can do it.I remember when you first started kk you struggled to get going but once you got serious about it you did phenominally well. You just need to do that again. And you know what, it sure tastes a lot better this time around. Go to the recipe section here, there are some really good recipes in there. The other day I ate steak, asparagus and "Faux potatoes" made from cauliflower--yum, yum, yummy. So get with it girl! I happen to know you have the ability to do this!
Love ya,
Carol
P.S. Yes, you should be eating a lot more calories, believe what you read! It is really not hard, just keep the carbs low and make fat about 60% of your cals. (look at fitday pie chart-it tells you the percentages)
lowcarbkitty
Oct 1 2007, 7:20pm
Hey Pat,
Just wanted to say hello & let you know I understand your frustration in making the transition from Atkins to KK. I've been struggling myself. Like you, I've decided October is a new month & a good time to refocus & move forward.
I think your goal to be 299.6 lbs by 12/25 is very doable on Atkins. It sounds like you have a good plan to prepare recipes you can eat. I think it's amazing you have maintained your weight loss during this transition. I'm proud of you & I know you WILL reach your goal in no time!
Take care!
nanatoot
Oct 1 2007, 8:46pm
Hi Pat,
I totally understand your frustration and struggles. I am having a difficult time transitioning as well. I did eat some almonds today as a snack and I am just trying to up my calories. Hang in there. I know you can do it!
cartbabe
Oct 2 2007, 1:32pm
Pat, I loved reading your story. I think it is so inspirational that you are sharing your journey with us. Keep up the faith. Always remember that no matter how slow the weight loss goes, it is going in the right direction, no matter what. I always told myself that my body may be stubborn, but if I applied the principals that eventually the body would have no choice but to let go!
It did, too. Because it is a way of life, it doesn't matter how long it takes. It will happen!
Pat in Mich
Oct 3 2007, 11:25am
Ugh….when am I going to get this right? I should have read the entire book before I tried following DANDR, but I am so afraid of gaining weight back. However, I’m up and down, up and down. I think I’m going to have to cut out cheese….maybe I’ll slowly add back in up to one string cheese a day and not eat it every day even. I know I can’t be gaining weight because of vegetables! It’s like down a pound, up a pound….for the last two weeks I’ve been about the same weight by the end of the week, it’s so frustrating. I’m hungry when I get home and I know I’m eating too much, but am keeping my carbs at 20 or less. I have gone off by eating the fruit too and I’ve had three pieces of that Halloween candy corn a day….which I stopped this week! I think sometimes I get so excited to be eating more, that I let myself eat things I shouldn’t and that are not on the list for induction foods. Or even on the OWL plan. I need to get serious about this. I do not want to sabotage myself….I do not want to get back to 399 pounds.
Also, exercise is a problem for me. I hate it! That’s putting it mildly. I have walked two days this week and then last night I was sort of reading ahead in the book and it looks like I can start it slowly so I’m going to be sure and get to that chapter to read. I used to love to play Tennis and I hope to find some ladies to play that again once I’ve lost more weight, hopefully by next summer. If not, I may take lessons at a club just to get the exercise in. That and swimming is about the only type of exercise I like…and it’s not really swimming…I’ll walk in the pool but I really like just lounging on a mat! Sometimes taking a nap! Ha! I’ve been sedentary so long, it’s crazy!
Sometimes I wonder if I went off for a day or a week-end, ate the things I really want to eat and be done with it, if I could start this off better. I need to read on the forums and see if anyone has done anything like this. I’m not crazy enough to know I won’t have cheat days because it’s not a diet, it’s a way of life. But I don’t want to go carb crazy often so I consider that a “cheat” day. But the other day when I did eat some bad carbs, I was so sick at night, that I’m almost afraid to eat those potato chips I’ve been craving….let’s see…I said potato chips, cake, a peanut butter sandwich. I think that’s the things I’ve really been wanting. Surprisingly, it’s not pasta…I would have thought I would have been craving spaghetti… but it’s the junk food! I have gone since June 4…strictly following Kimkins or K/E and then trying to switch to Atkins Induction. I’m sure the emotions of the Kimkins thing have played a part in this, but I think it’s more likely that I’m feeling better and getting careless with how I’m doing. This is not how I want my journey to go….so I’m going to have to make some decisions of how I’m going to get back on track. The other night my thinking was so mixed up I was going to return to the K/E style of eating, just until I could get the cravings to disappear again. That’s really crazy thinking…especially because I’ve just noticed I’ve had some hair loss that is more than normal.
I did order some better coconut oil yesterday (the nutiva brand). Also ordered Physllum (spelling?) and low carb hot chocolate. I think I can add that in occasionally…..I sure would like some to warm me up in the mornings since I don’t like coffee or tea. I may have to get used to drinking tea though.
Well, here’s to another day on the journey. I will not get so frustrated I will gain my weight back I’ve lost. I will continue reading DANDR and learning and try, try again until I get it right! I know this way of eating will be the way I’ll be successful, it’s just doing it!
Pat in Mich
Oct 3 2007, 11:25am
Thanks Cartbabe...I needed that!
Pat in Mich
Oct 3 2007, 11:28am
Renee, Kellee and Carol...Jimmy and all else who post...thanks for the encouragement! I know I'm going to make it...it's just taking me some time to get started! Reading the book all the way through is helping...I'm definitely learning stuff every day from it! Thanks again for your support...hopefully soon I'll be writing some inspiring things in here instead of whining!!!! And for the gals from KK site...my chunkles are getting smaller...I'm so excited....
kittycat7
Oct 3 2007, 1:38pm
Pat,
When I first started Atkins, my weight went up and down and I had cravings. You tell about your cheats but I want to know what are you really eating? I have found as I have added the fats back in the right proportion, I don't have cravings. Also we are spoiled by the fast weight loss of KK. Atkins doesn't usually go that fast.
Back to diet. At least 60% of your diet should be fat, 30% protein and 10% carbs. If your protein is too high your body is going to convert some of that protein into carbohydrates and you won't be burning your fat. Also, check your measurements, I am finding that the inches are going down faster on this WOE.
Sorry, Pat, don't mean to get all "mother" and start preaching at you, I just want you to have good results. I really care about you making your way to goal.
Love ya,
Carol
Pat in Mich
Oct 3 2007, 1:57pm
Oh, are you kidding Carol? I appreciate any advice. Well, I've been eating eggs for breakfast and have turkey sausage, regular sausage, bacon or no meat with it. I usually have three large eggs. Sometimes I have a piece of full fat cheese (American cheese slices) on it or one string cheese stick. I have one catsup packet (count as 1 carb). Then, adding calories into my diet, around 10:30 I'll have an EAS shake (4 carbs). For lunch I've been having either broccoli or brussel sprouts or homemade cole slaw (full fat mayo mixing up cabbage shreds). The brussel sprouts are 9 carbs...it's those birdseye individual steamfresh packs...I love them. I also have left over roast, steak or maybe some tuna mixed with real mayo and celery in it. I've had the brussel sprouts every day for two weeks so can't remember what the broccoli is right now but I'm pretty sure it's lower in carbs.
Then because I read don't go six hours without eating, I've been eating a snack in the afternoon...otherwise it would be six or seven hours between lunch and supper. And here is another place I've really screwed up, I've been having cream cheese on celery or on that beef (Carl Buddings) luncheon meat. I know I need to stay away from the luncheon meat!
For supper I'll have beef usually (don't know if you remember or not but I hate fish, sick of chicken, salmon and tuna). Occasionally I'll have beef frankfurters - 3 of them. I know these are bad for you....but I love them grilled to where they are burnt! I have mustard on them. And I'll have a lettuce salad, usually just one cup of lettuce with one sliced radish, 1/2 celery stick, and sometimes a small tomatoe if my carbs allow for it. Very seldom I'll have chicken instead of beef and I've forced myself to eat Talapia twice...I still don't like it! Ha!
But....this last week-end I bought Atkins morning bars and South Beach bars and I have had one of those a day and it puts my carbs over 20. That's why I think I'm being too careless with this way of eating. I have also walked every day this week, which is a first...three days in a row.
I have to say I haven't been filling out my fitday and keeping track of the amount of food I'm eating (except the carb stuff). When I started weighing my meat this week, I was shocked how much 6 oz of beef is! So much so I even checked my scale with packages of food that had weights listed on them. I must have been starving myself on Kimkins...so sad.
I'm trying to eat six times a day. But I need to be sure the list of foods is on the induction phase and I need to be sure my quantities aren't so huge....even though I know they say in the beginning not to worry about it.
Do you suppose it's adding the vegtables that is causing the cravings. When I first started this, I was only adding a vegetable at lunch and supper, none of the other poor food choices. It's when I started having the cravings I'd start eating the cream cheese/beef, the 3 halloween candy corns, the protein bars.....
And maybe, I just can't eat those bars and need to really limit the cheese...not even 3 oz a day. I would eat one of those small packages of beef and have about a teaspoon of cream cheese on each one. I actually measured the cream cheese, but don't know the ounces it adds up to.
I really think I just need some discipline. I know this way of life will work. I am going to continue to read the book and not give up! I haven't paid attention to my calories but I know I'm probably getting at least 2,000 a day! I really need to start using the fitday again, it's a wonderful tool. It will help when I'm not so busy at work and at home too.....this has been a bad last couple of weeks...running every night and constant business at work until we close the fiscal year!
Thanks again....mother me all you want...although you're probably younger than me..I'll be 54 next month!
kittycat7
Oct 3 2007, 4:04pm
Well, it looks like you're doing some good things and some not so good things. I think you're probably like me and really can't tolerate carbs. So what could you be doing that is casuing cravings and keeping you from losing weight?
Don't eat:
candy corn, even only 3, just makes you want more-think of them as poison
luncheon meats are not recommended because they have nitrites and other stuff that is probably not on induction, could cause cravings
Your breakfast sounds good, what kind of catsup are you using? Regular catsup has lots of sugar (could set you up for cravings)
Atkins 72 advises no sausage, frankfurters, etc. because of fillers (carbs) that are in them, this could cause cravings
protein bars, etc. are not meant for induction
Do eat:
vegetables, within your carb limit
cream cheese is fine, even with olives (we're allowed 10) in celery
Snacks are good since you have such a long time between meals. Heck, snacks are good any time! I keep deviled eggs, homemade pimento cheese, and cream cheese and olives around just about all the time so I can snack. I think you're right about needing to get more organized and start putting it in fitday. Before I did that I was floundering and the scales were going up. Fitday helps to keep you honest and see where you're messing up (if you are). Using fitday helped me get in line with what I needed to do to make the transition from KK to Atkins.
I know you're gonna get this all in order and then you're gonna leave me in the dust and I'll be playing catch up with you the rest of the time!
Love ya,
Carol
Pat in Mich
Oct 4 2007, 10:09am
Thanks Carol, and yep, you said pretty much what I knew...the Carl Budding, the candy corn and the hot dogs have to stop. I just went into Linda Sue's site and printed her induction menus and the recipes I think I would like...even some chicken ones! My plan is to cook dishes ahead this week-end and get going correctly on Monday. I also have to cut out the Atkins and SB bars I think...they just make me want some more sweet stuff. I've been overweight so long, I think I'm very carb sensitive and am anxious to read in DANDR book about that when I get to that chapter. Actually, once I just really stick to it, I'm sure I'll do fine! Thanks again for your comments/advice...stay tuned to see how it turns out (smile).
kittycat7
Oct 4 2007, 10:58am
Great plan Pat! Linda's recipes are yummy-at least the one's I've tried. I know you'll get this going just like you did before. Consider that you've had a little vacation and on Monday back to business. I had to do the same. I am so glad you're here and we can support each other through this.
Love ya,
Carol
Pat in Mich
Oct 4 2007, 12:23pm
I'm glad you're here too Carol...oh, I forgot about the catsup...I was just using catsup packets I had from fast food restaurants. Fitday counts them as one carb. I should buy the low carb catsup, but I don't like to buy Heinz Brand, and I didn't like the Kraft low carb bbq sauce. But I suppose you could get used to it. What I should do is get used to eating eggs without catsup and beef with mustard instead of catsup! Am anxious to start better Monday though.
lcmama
Oct 6 2007, 11:47pm
WOW Pat,
I certainly can relate. I thought I started off so good, but then the cravings started. I tried to subdue them with Atkins bars (I know not supposed to have on induction) but I thought that would be better than a cookie or candy right and count as a regular snack. Thing is I normally don't want the junk food, cookies, candy etc. It usually the pasta, rice, tortillas, etc that are my downfall. BUt lately those are what I have been craving.
Just this morning I ate a huge chocolate chunk cookie and most of a huge Peanut Butter cookie. (DS had them in the house)
The whole time I was thinking I shouldn't be eating this. On kk I didn;t mind having this stuff in the house because I didn;t really crave it. I could ignore it. Don't know what is going on.
I agree some of it may have to do with all the emotions over the other stuff going on.
I think I am going to just try and avoid all that for now and concentrate on me.
Carol, Thanks for all you have said, I know it was directed at Pat but very helpful I have not been as good about fitday as I should. It' just hard to do at work etc. since like I said I don't really plan ahead.
Anyway...
Like you I am starting over... I've decided Sunday will be day one of induction take 2.
I have also looked over some of the recipes, but I really am terrible at planning meals more than a half a day in advance. I plan on trying tomorrow though. Going to cook stuff for the week, at least dinners and snacks a see how that goes.
SO we did it before we can do it again. My goal is to be at 395 by Christmas which is actually a hundred down from where I was in April. Ticker just shows what I was when I started at KK in June. Actually think I need to change that.
LETS GET SHRINKING! (Healthily)
Tria
Pat in Mich
Oct 8 2007, 12:16pm
Finally got to move my ticker down a little...great feeling. Also starting true Atkins Induction today. No sunflower seeds, no lunch meat, no hot dogs....true induction. Still reading the book but don't want to wait until I'm finished to get started....I really want to be below 300 by Christmas which should be entirely doable...
It's an exciting time for me...grandson's hockey games are starting. He is in the level they call Peewee, which is the first age bracket they can start checking. I didn't know if I'd be able to watch the little guy take a check, but it wasn't too bad. As long as the kids see it coming, it's not so dangerous...it's when someone comes up behind them and does it, it's bad. They get a penalty for doing it that way, but the damage is already done! Anyway....those grand kids are the light of my life and I'm so lucky they live only 5 minutes away!
Buzzy
Oct 11 2007, 12:29am
Hey Pat!
You can do this thing. You don't have to starve either. Let me give you a few examples of what I eat and the numbers realted to it. Maybe it will help. These that I am about to post all had weightlosses the next day.
1 South Beach Bar
3 hour later 1 Atkins Bar
3 hours later 2 pieces string cheese
3 hours later 1 bag deluxe mixed nuts
3 hours later Corned beef, cabbage with 2 T butter and 2 slices swiss cheese
Calories 1910.86
Fat 131.93
Carbs 34.95
Protein 103.64
I lost 2 pounds the next morning
2 pieces string cheese
2 cans tuna in oil
1 cup lettuce
2T sugar free pickle relish
1 small onion
4T real mayo
2 slices Healthy Life bread
3 slices corned beef'
1 slice American cheese
1 slice provolone cheese
1-1/2 T real mayo
28 smokehouse almonds
Calories 1895.73
Fat 139.8
Carbs 25.11
Protein 114.41
I lost 1 pound the next day.
It has helped me immensley when Jimmy told me that I should have 50% or more of fat and 10% carbs and 30% protein. I have tried to keep my numbers in that range. When I do, I lose weight. And I eat more than I did on KK.
You may be asking how I figure those percentages. Well, I take the fat, carbs and Protein and add them all up. Then I take that total and divide that total into each individaul number (i.e. divide that total into the fat, the carb, the protein). This will give you the percentages.
When I first started Atkins I gained. Then my body adjusted and I started losing agian. Just hang in there Pat. You can do this. And don't be a stranger over at the 200+ forum. We all love ya' and miss seeing you!
Sue
Hi Pat! Just thought I'd drop in and see how you are doing? I hope you have a great Friday! *HUGS*
Pat in Mich
Oct 12 2007, 9:20am
Thanks for all the info Sue....I really started induction on Monday and had a binge day on Tuesday or Wednesday night but then got right back on it. I've promised not to weigh myself every day so weighed on Thursday and will not weigh again until Monday...and boy is that hard! I had planned on staying on induction for longer than a couple of weeks but oddly enough when I eat more I lose more so I'm going to go on to OWL once I really stay on induction two full weeks! Did some cooking last night so I can be prepared..made Linda Sue's recipe of the ground beef and spinach...I don't really care for spinach so I don't know why I chose that one....but will see how it tastes today at noon. I hope I like it because I only brought some brussel sprouts to eat with it too! Ha!
Psychologically, I'm still struggling with eating so much more food but it makes sense our body has to heal after losing so quickly! And I'm hanging in there. Hopefully within the next few weeks Lee will buy my new computer and I can get on at home...will post more then.
Hi ChrisTina..thanks for stopping in.
Hope you both have a wonderful week-end. I plan on fixing more recipes so I can be totally prepared next week! Am anxious to weigh in on Monday...
kittycat7
Oct 23 2007, 8:03am
Hey Pat!
Where is you?

I hope you're doing ok. It's been awhile since I've heard from you. I hope all is well and you are DANDRing you're way along. Even if you're not, let me know you're ok, I loves ya girl, need to hear from my chunkle-friend!
lowcarbkitty
Oct 24 2007, 3:36pm
Hi Pat,
Like Carol, I wanted to check in with you to see how you are doing? I miss hearing from you! I know your home pc is down & you mentioned you have limited time to post during work hours...but I just wanted to let you know you are in my thoughts. Remember, WE are here for you!
I look forward to hearing from you... Take care!
Pat in Mich
Oct 25 2007, 12:26pm
I'm here...still using work computer so careful how much I post. Last week-end I went on an annual girl's week-end. While I did better than normal, I did enjoy some libation and carb eating...paid for it on Monday and Tuesday. Monday I was up 3.6 pounds, Tuesday the scale showed being up 5.6 pounds! After I followed induction all day Monday. I could have cried. However, I decided to just stick with the Linda Sue's recipes and keep hanging in there. This morning I was back down to being 3.6 pounds up. I didn't change my ticker, I found that so frustrating. And I'm trying to weigh only on Mondays and Thursdays, which I'll do once I get back down to 327! It is so hard to not give up and go back to Kimkins woe...which I know is not healthy...but I lost so quickly on it. It's a true mind over matter thing I'm working on. And I have to keep reminding myself that I was stalled and going back and forth while on kimkins even...it's easy to forget. I so want to be under 300 pounds by Christmas....but obviously not enough to do this correctly. I do seem to lose better when I have more carbs so I'm going to try the OWL stage as soon as I get my cravings under control. Still struggling and I hate to post anything negative, that's not inspiring to anyone! Thanks for checking in on me!
lowcarbkitty
Oct 25 2007, 1:49pm
Hey Pat,
Great to hear from you! Sounds like you had fun on your "girl's weekend".
Many of us are struggling just like you to find the right plan that works for us. It's not easy trying to figure out what will work for each individual person. It sounds like you are on the right track in getting your cravings under control & then adding more carbs in the OWL stage.
Just remember...even if you are struggling...you are not being negative if/when you about it. We are here to help you through your struggle & your willingness to share about your struggle helps us too. It shows you are working through it & it helps to inspire us to keep going when we get stuck, too.
I know you have to do what feels right for you...just wanted you to know WE missed you & care about you & we are here for you!
Take care & keep your chin up...things will get easier in time, Pat!
ctplr2btrfly
Oct 25 2007, 3:20pm
HI, Pat! I was also worried about you but I'm obviously late getting here!

You might try Protein Power....
That's what I started off on years ago but I was doing Atkins and not budging---I did Protein Power just a few days and I'm down to 299!!
You've done so well, sweetheart, please don't get mad at yourself and above all remember we're here for you!j
And like Kellee said, it's not negative for you to post that you're struggling or that you're aggravated. We've all been there and we'll be there many more times in our journey. Also, little deviations in plan are going to happen, we all have life events where we can be smart but maybe not always low low carb--that is something we'll have to deal with forever, whether we're at 325 or 155--what's important is you evaluated your choices and hopped right back on the wagon. The cravings will cease once your body has had few enough carbs for 72 hours.
Keep up the good fight! xxxooo
AnneMarie