This is very similar to Atkins in his approach. Dr. Groves is the Dr. A. of the UK..
However, Dr. G. doesn't want people to overdose on protein because of the fact that
some of it turns to glucose and acts like carbs. And, he does allow lots of good healthy
LC veggies. He wants you to take in 60-70 percent fat in your diet. I posted a Barry
Groves article in the education site here.
His latest book is Natural Health and Weight Loss which is excellent and makes the lowcarb diet very understandable. He also addresses many health issues that can
be cleared up or made better by LCing..
Full Version: Eat Fat, Get Thin..Dr. Barry Groves
Got an interview with Dr. Barry Groves coming to my blog on Monday...
Great, Jimmy..I will alert the Barry Girls..and others!!! Super!!!
Carolyn, I have been trying to find that e-book FOREVER! Is it even available anymore? (Eat fat, get thin)
No, Mary, just order Natural Health and Weight Loss on-line. Eat Fat, Get Thin is not available anymore..and it was a giant ebook..300 plus pages.
The "real" book is basically the same thing, but updated..Amazon carries it.
The "real" book is basically the same thing, but updated..Amazon carries it.
Thank you, Carolyn
And, when Barry talks about eating 60 carbs, he means 60 whole carbs, not
net carbs..So, it could be around 30 net carbs, especially if you eat lots of veggies..
net carbs..So, it could be around 30 net carbs, especially if you eat lots of veggies..
My interview with Dr. Barry Groves is up now, including a link to his brand new book and his outstanding web sites. ENJOY!
| QUOTE (Carolyn @ Aug 6 2007, 04:30 PM) |
| And, when Barry talks about eating 60 carbs, he means 60 whole carbs, not net carbs..So, it could be around 30 net carbs, especially if you eat lots of veggies.. |
That's strange. Given that European labels don't count fibre as part of the carb content, you'd think he'd have to make a big point of telling people they needed to track down the fibre content from a different part of the label, and add that to the listed carbs, but I don't remember reading it. It's been a while since I read his book though. I'll go and see if I can find where he says it.
Liz: I'm checking in the back of the Natural Health book where Barry has carbs listed..
I didn't realize that they do subtract the fiber from the foods already..
I did some checking on his numbers in the book and another carb counter, and it seems as though the fiber IS subtracted..
The carbs that come from veggies are important, but the carbs that come from root veggies/fruit/dairy/grains are alot higher.
Thanks..
I didn't realize that they do subtract the fiber from the foods already..
I did some checking on his numbers in the book and another carb counter, and it seems as though the fiber IS subtracted..
The carbs that come from veggies are important, but the carbs that come from root veggies/fruit/dairy/grains are alot higher.
Thanks..
Thanks for checking that out - I hadn't got round to it yet. I went shopping instead . I didn't particularly set out to follow Barry's recommendations, but 60g per day is about where I've ended up for maintenance, and I think I would have felt better if I'd eaten that for weight loss, too.
. I didn't particularly set out to follow Barry's recommendations, but 60g per day is about where I've ended up for maintenance, and I think I would have felt better if I'd eaten that for weight loss, too.
He's one neat guy and I hope to review his book soon.
Just to be clear. Is the 60 gr carbs net, after subtracting fiber ? I have Dr. Groves new book and will be starting his WOE very soon. Thanks!
Nope, it's total carbs which include your fiber. Net carbs will be about 30-45g.
Thanks Jimmie. 30-45 gr carbs is very doable. I'm looking forward to your book review of Dr Groves new book. With all the spare time you have I'm sure it will be soon 
Carolyn, I would love to keep this thread going with more information about this plan. I hope you don't mind. I am still waiting for my books, and you are so kowledgeable about it
Mary
Mary
| QUOTE (cartbabe @ Aug 12 2007, 04:38 PM) |
| Carolyn, I would love to keep this thread going with more information about this plan. I hope you don't mind. I am still waiting for my books, and you are so kowledgeable about it Mary |
Mary, I agree! I've read Groves new book twice and recently started tweeking my Atkins to more follow Groves. I would love to have some help from someone as knowledgable as Carolyn! Please, please??
K girls...Let me get the information from LCF's and copy it here..
There are so many questions about EFGT I decided to go back and compile some facts from past posts here on LCF in our EFGT threads. There is some info that Barry posted here and some quotes from CarolynF and some info from a variety of sites about lean body mass. I hope this will be helpful to all of us as we continue "on down our weigh" with EFGT.
The ratios to aim for are 10-15% carbs, 20-25% prot, 60-70% fat.
Quoted from a post of Barry Groves:
"The body can use either glucose or fats as a fuel. If it is used to using glucose and blood glucose falls too low, it will convert protein either from food or from muscle tissue.
If, on the other hand, you are on a low-carb, high-fat diet, and your body has gotten used to this, then it will use either dietary fats or body fats. Which is exactly what we want it to do.
Therefore, if you are on the conventional low-fat, low-calorie diet, protein intake is very important, as this will be used for glucose. On a high-fat diet, however, protein intake is not so important.
The problems come when people who are afraid of eating fat eat more protein while cutting down on fat.
There is one other consideration: Protein foods are expensive. Why eat more than you need?
I hope that makes sense"
Another Quote from an email in answer to a question Carolyn emailed him:
"Here is Barry's great answer to the calorie question:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Carolyn
I think there is a misunderstanding here. There is no EFGT 2,000 calorie program. Perhaps I should look at a rewrite if this is unclear.
The average calorie intake is around 2,000 calories (women a bit less; men a bit more) so I used that amount as an example in a couple of places on page 217 to show how the ratios are arrived at. But on pages 24/25 I say don't count calories, eat until you are satisfied.
People do different amounts of work and exercise, need different amounts of energy, and so they need to eat different amounts. And, of course, women tend to eat less than men.
So, you wouldn't need to eat 2,000 calories if you have an office job. But, then you would probably need to eat more if you are a builder's labourer or a marathon runner. If an individual is satisfied and not hungry with 1,200 to 1,300 calories, that's fine.
The important point is that satisfaction. The way our bodies work is programmed by the last 2 million years of Ice Ages. Our ancestors lived from one good hunt to the next, and there must have been times when food was in short supply and they starved. Our bodies evolved the facility of storing energy in the form of body fat to tide them over. As far as your body is concerned, low-calorie dieting is starving. This programmes your body to store fat. This is why people who use low-calorie diets get progressively fatter. What you must do is eat properly -- without the periods of hunger -- so that your body loses the need to store fat.
But, if you want to lose the fat your body has already stored, then you must NOT eat more than you need. You might think that means counting calories. It doesn't. Your body will make allowances and, if you do eat too much, it can get rid of any excess, as long as what you are eating is the right food. That is fat. Both fat and protein in excess are excreted, not stored. But if you eat to excess and some of that excess is carbs, then that WILL be stored."
CarolynF Quotes from past posts:
"Basically this plan is similar to Atkins except for the fact it's not an
all you can eat protein plan. First you figure out your lean body weight..
then divide it by 2.2 (to get kilograms), then multiply it by 1 or 1.5 to get the correct amount of grams of protein that you should take in..Too much will
act like carbs.
The percentages are what Barry is interested in..plus eating animal fats, plus
coconut and olive oil.
10-15 percent carbs/ 20-25 percent protein/60-70 percent fat..and eat according to your appetite..Some days you might be hungrier than other days.
Barry doesn't eat fruit or grains..but that's up to you. Some people will have some bread, but you need to count it all..
It's a good idea to do FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal to get a sense of what you should be eating..and how much.
Most women will eat around 50-80 grams of protein. If someone is very athletic, they would eat toward the top of the numbers."
This way of eating is basically finding out your lean body weight..Google it and you will find several ways to figure it out..either by measuring or just
putting in a number..THEN, take your lean body weight (without fat) and
multiply that number by .6 to find how many grams of protein your body needs for the day..You can go up maybe 10 more grams..but don't overload
because too much protein will act like carbs..
The percentages for your daily foods should be 10-15 percent carbs/20-30
percent protein/60-70 percent fat. Use fitday and you will get a good idea of
what you should eat..And don't eat more protein than you should..
The very best way to "eat" is to have balanced meals with your proportions approximate..For example, you wouldn't eat all your protein at one meal..or carbs..or fat..so balance each meal out as well as you can..
If you get to dinner and you have only 30 grams of protein all day..don't have
45 grams all at once to make up for the difference..Because, we all know that
those extra 25 grams act like carbs..not a good thing.."
Barry says the best oil to have is olive oil and coconut oil...And he recommends that we eat the fat off meat..like hamburger, pork, etc..
60-70 percent fat is NOT like 90 percent fat..and it's not like we are chowing down on sticks of butter..because there is fat in eggs, meat, cheese..and added fat for veggies, coffee, and salads really CAN ADD UP..That's why fitday is so great..It "does the math" for us.."
Lean Body Mass Info
To figure Lean Body Mass:
1st.You get your body fat percentage from one of those charts.
Then 100% - BF% = "the rest of your body"
Then multiply your weight now by "the rest of your body"
And you get the % of lean body mass.
This seems to be a great calculation tool for figuring LBM
Calculator
Figure out how much protein you need..by using your lean body mass..(not including the fat) and divide it by 2.2 to get the kilograms..then multiply it by 1 or 1.5 (men are higher)..
On the protein thing: Some people with more muscles can eat MORE protein to maintain their muscles..So, they might multiply their LBM by 1.3 or 1.4..to get a higher number.
My lean body weight is around 95 pounds (minus fat)..I would divide it by 2.2..would
give me 45 kilograms..Okay..then to find out how much protein I would need, I would
multiply that number by 1 or 1.5..so I would need 45 to 67 grams of protein per day to maintain muscle mass..Men need more.
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The ratios to aim for are 10-15% carbs, 20-25% prot, 60-70% fat.
Quoted from a post of Barry Groves:
"The body can use either glucose or fats as a fuel. If it is used to using glucose and blood glucose falls too low, it will convert protein either from food or from muscle tissue.
If, on the other hand, you are on a low-carb, high-fat diet, and your body has gotten used to this, then it will use either dietary fats or body fats. Which is exactly what we want it to do.
Therefore, if you are on the conventional low-fat, low-calorie diet, protein intake is very important, as this will be used for glucose. On a high-fat diet, however, protein intake is not so important.
The problems come when people who are afraid of eating fat eat more protein while cutting down on fat.
There is one other consideration: Protein foods are expensive. Why eat more than you need?
I hope that makes sense"
Another Quote from an email in answer to a question Carolyn emailed him:
"Here is Barry's great answer to the calorie question:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Carolyn
I think there is a misunderstanding here. There is no EFGT 2,000 calorie program. Perhaps I should look at a rewrite if this is unclear.
The average calorie intake is around 2,000 calories (women a bit less; men a bit more) so I used that amount as an example in a couple of places on page 217 to show how the ratios are arrived at. But on pages 24/25 I say don't count calories, eat until you are satisfied.
People do different amounts of work and exercise, need different amounts of energy, and so they need to eat different amounts. And, of course, women tend to eat less than men.
So, you wouldn't need to eat 2,000 calories if you have an office job. But, then you would probably need to eat more if you are a builder's labourer or a marathon runner. If an individual is satisfied and not hungry with 1,200 to 1,300 calories, that's fine.
The important point is that satisfaction. The way our bodies work is programmed by the last 2 million years of Ice Ages. Our ancestors lived from one good hunt to the next, and there must have been times when food was in short supply and they starved. Our bodies evolved the facility of storing energy in the form of body fat to tide them over. As far as your body is concerned, low-calorie dieting is starving. This programmes your body to store fat. This is why people who use low-calorie diets get progressively fatter. What you must do is eat properly -- without the periods of hunger -- so that your body loses the need to store fat.
But, if you want to lose the fat your body has already stored, then you must NOT eat more than you need. You might think that means counting calories. It doesn't. Your body will make allowances and, if you do eat too much, it can get rid of any excess, as long as what you are eating is the right food. That is fat. Both fat and protein in excess are excreted, not stored. But if you eat to excess and some of that excess is carbs, then that WILL be stored."
CarolynF Quotes from past posts:
"Basically this plan is similar to Atkins except for the fact it's not an
all you can eat protein plan. First you figure out your lean body weight..
then divide it by 2.2 (to get kilograms), then multiply it by 1 or 1.5 to get the correct amount of grams of protein that you should take in..Too much will
act like carbs.
The percentages are what Barry is interested in..plus eating animal fats, plus
coconut and olive oil.
10-15 percent carbs/ 20-25 percent protein/60-70 percent fat..and eat according to your appetite..Some days you might be hungrier than other days.
Barry doesn't eat fruit or grains..but that's up to you. Some people will have some bread, but you need to count it all..
It's a good idea to do FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal to get a sense of what you should be eating..and how much.
Most women will eat around 50-80 grams of protein. If someone is very athletic, they would eat toward the top of the numbers."
This way of eating is basically finding out your lean body weight..Google it and you will find several ways to figure it out..either by measuring or just
putting in a number..THEN, take your lean body weight (without fat) and
multiply that number by .6 to find how many grams of protein your body needs for the day..You can go up maybe 10 more grams..but don't overload
because too much protein will act like carbs..
The percentages for your daily foods should be 10-15 percent carbs/20-30
percent protein/60-70 percent fat. Use fitday and you will get a good idea of
what you should eat..And don't eat more protein than you should..
The very best way to "eat" is to have balanced meals with your proportions approximate..For example, you wouldn't eat all your protein at one meal..or carbs..or fat..so balance each meal out as well as you can..
If you get to dinner and you have only 30 grams of protein all day..don't have
45 grams all at once to make up for the difference..Because, we all know that
those extra 25 grams act like carbs..not a good thing.."
Barry says the best oil to have is olive oil and coconut oil...And he recommends that we eat the fat off meat..like hamburger, pork, etc..
60-70 percent fat is NOT like 90 percent fat..and it's not like we are chowing down on sticks of butter..because there is fat in eggs, meat, cheese..and added fat for veggies, coffee, and salads really CAN ADD UP..That's why fitday is so great..It "does the math" for us.."
Lean Body Mass Info
To figure Lean Body Mass:
1st.You get your body fat percentage from one of those charts.
Then 100% - BF% = "the rest of your body"
Then multiply your weight now by "the rest of your body"
And you get the % of lean body mass.
This seems to be a great calculation tool for figuring LBM
Calculator
Figure out how much protein you need..by using your lean body mass..(not including the fat) and divide it by 2.2 to get the kilograms..then multiply it by 1 or 1.5 (men are higher)..
On the protein thing: Some people with more muscles can eat MORE protein to maintain their muscles..So, they might multiply their LBM by 1.3 or 1.4..to get a higher number.
My lean body weight is around 95 pounds (minus fat)..I would divide it by 2.2..would
give me 45 kilograms..Okay..then to find out how much protein I would need, I would
multiply that number by 1 or 1.5..so I would need 45 to 67 grams of protein per day to maintain muscle mass..Men need more.
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I have a serious question about this? If I limit my protein to 70 grams which is according to .6X my lean body mass the calculator said I have. That limits my protein calories to approx. 280 and if that is 20 to 25 % of my calories that limits my calorie intake to approx. 672 to 840 calories a day? That sounds a bit too little to me! What am I doing wrong? 
Rozi
Rozi
Then you add the rest of the calories in FAT...60 to 70 percent should be fat from meat, dairy, etc. This is where you get your healthy energy when we are lowcarbing..Protein is NOT a good source of energy, that is what the fat is for..
It might be easier to do it by grams..70 grams of protein, say 30-50 grams of good veggie carbs (and dairy), 80 grams of fat..This will give you 1,200 calories, which is the minimum we should all take in..
Does that help at all?
It might be easier to do it by grams..70 grams of protein, say 30-50 grams of good veggie carbs (and dairy), 80 grams of fat..This will give you 1,200 calories, which is the minimum we should all take in..
Does that help at all?
280 x 4 = 1120
Too true cartbabe, I let my calculator get away from me. Thanks!!
Rozi
Rozi
I just got the second book today. I really REALLY like this guy and his concepts!
I've got a question. Could you use the Eade's, and Barry Sear's method to calculate your lean body mass? If I'm not mistaken they use waist measurements and ratios to get to your lean body mass? I am very interested in this, because diabetes runs in my family and there was some very good research that came out by a doctor in this country who claims that a diet very high in fat is the best way to control blood sugars. I am not diabetic, but at the very least try to eliminate flour and sugar and starches from my diet. I will try and find that research again and post a link.
By the way, I had a personal trainer try to tell me today, that if everybody would ride around with a bag of apples in their car and eat them when they are hungry, they would lose weight. Yeah right!! He's a great guy, but I'm glad he's not my trainer.
By the way, I had a personal trainer try to tell me today, that if everybody would ride around with a bag of apples in their car and eat them when they are hungry, they would lose weight. Yeah right!! He's a great guy, but I'm glad he's not my trainer.
Very Interesting!!
Rozi
Rozi
Mary: Glad you like the book..
Melodie: Yes, Barry has a whole chapter in his book about fats/carbs/diabetics. Fat is instrumental to slowing the digestion of the foods
into the system so there won't be an insulin rush. My Type II friend always
has to have some fat with her apple..(she does LC, but not as stringent as she should).
Melodie: Yes, Barry has a whole chapter in his book about fats/carbs/diabetics. Fat is instrumental to slowing the digestion of the foods
into the system so there won't be an insulin rush. My Type II friend always
has to have some fat with her apple..(she does LC, but not as stringent as she should).
Hey Everybody,
It's a little quiet out there in cyberland tonight. Does anyone know who Dr. Fuhrman is? I just Googled Barry Groves hoping to find out more info about his diet, since his books seem to be hard to come by and must be ordered. I guess Dr. Fuhrman doesn't think too much of Barry, or Jimmy's interview. He called it a junk interview and junk science. Here is the link if anyone would care to check it out.
http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/diet-...nk-science.html
Is Fuhrman one of those low fat zealots?
It's a little quiet out there in cyberland tonight. Does anyone know who Dr. Fuhrman is? I just Googled Barry Groves hoping to find out more info about his diet, since his books seem to be hard to come by and must be ordered. I guess Dr. Fuhrman doesn't think too much of Barry, or Jimmy's interview. He called it a junk interview and junk science. Here is the link if anyone would care to check it out.
http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/diet-...nk-science.html
Is Fuhrman one of those low fat zealots?
Well forget my question. I read a little further. The guy is a vegan.
Melodie, when I read comments from low fat and low calorie zealots, it just makes my blood boil. They are so full of claims that the low carb lifestyle will kill us or won't work. It irritates me. I want to respond to every one of them and tell them how I have lost over 1/2 of my body weight, have dropped my triglycerides from almost 600 to 90, how all of my pre-diabetes, and pre-heart disease conditions are gone. Actually, though, I realize it isn't going to do much good to argue with people who aren't even wise enough to consider that their ways might just be wrong.
| QUOTE (melodiegale @ Aug 17 2007, 06:51 PM) |
| Well forget my question. I read a little further. The guy is a vegan. |
If they just avoided meat and shut up about it, that would be one thing but I've yet to meet a Vegan who didn't turn it into a religion.
I have yet to see a vegan who looked healthy. They are usually wrinkled and doughy looking at the same time. Muscle and skin, all the obvious things that are repaired by protein not to mention the things we can't see.
Honestly, if I could be a vegan, I would, just because I don't even kill bugs. I'm such a hypocrite because if I had to kill what I eat, I'd be out eating my pansies and geraniums.
I once tried to be a vegetarian. I swelled up like a balloon, gained weight, felt terrible, and when I finally quit, I swear I ate red meat nonstop for three months. I just craved it and craved it and craved it.
I hate it that they are so zealous. I read a Gary Taubes interview that was conducted awhile back, and it just strengthened the position that so much of this is political. The low fat camp, and the AMA treat the low carb premise like it's pornography.
Honestly, if I could be a vegan, I would, just because I don't even kill bugs. I'm such a hypocrite because if I had to kill what I eat, I'd be out eating my pansies and geraniums.
I once tried to be a vegetarian. I swelled up like a balloon, gained weight, felt terrible, and when I finally quit, I swear I ate red meat nonstop for three months. I just craved it and craved it and craved it.
I hate it that they are so zealous. I read a Gary Taubes interview that was conducted awhile back, and it just strengthened the position that so much of this is political. The low fat camp, and the AMA treat the low carb premise like it's pornography.
Oooo...never heard that analogy before that low-carb is treated like pornography by the low-fatties. Interesting, Melodie!
| QUOTE (livinlowcarbman @ Aug 19 2007, 01:22 AM) |
| Oooo...never heard that analogy before that low-carb is treated like pornography by the low-fatties. Interesting, Melodie! |
Hate to say it Jimmy, but you're twisted! At least your picture LOL
My daughter is a vegetarian, bordering on becoming a vegan. She will be 17 next month. She had to take Agriculture class in high school two years ago, because they had messed her schedule up. After seeing films in Ag class about slaughtering animals for food (very graphic), she promptly stopped eating meat. She won't even eat fish.
This concerns me, because she is still growing some, and I'm so afraid her hormones will get messed up. I push soy products on her. She won't eat or drink anything with milk. Her reasoning for that is the fact that they breed cattle for veal, then milk the cows when the calves are taken away.
Here I am, a low-carb advocate who loves all kinds of meats, and she won't touch it. I have to buy two sets of groceries now. Sheesh!
This concerns me, because she is still growing some, and I'm so afraid her hormones will get messed up. I push soy products on her. She won't eat or drink anything with milk. Her reasoning for that is the fact that they breed cattle for veal, then milk the cows when the calves are taken away.
Here I am, a low-carb advocate who loves all kinds of meats, and she won't touch it. I have to buy two sets of groceries now. Sheesh!
| QUOTE (CarolAnn @ Aug 19 2007, 07:23 AM) |
| My daughter is a vegetarian, bordering on becoming a vegan. She will be 17 next month. She had to take Agriculture class in high school two years ago, because they had messed her schedule up. After seeing films in Ag class about slaughtering animals for food (very graphic), she promptly stopped eating meat. She won't even eat fish. This concerns me, because she is still growing some, and I'm so afraid her hormones will get messed up. I push soy products on her. She won't eat or drink anything with milk. Her reasoning for that is the fact that they breed cattle for veal, then milk the cows when the calves are taken away. Here I am, a low-carb advocate who loves all kinds of meats, and she won't touch it. I have to buy two sets of groceries now. Sheesh! |
In my opionion, it's kind of barbaric that they made her watch those things. I know it's like hiding your head in the sand not to, but I don't think I could have even sat through that class. I think I know how she must feel. That's a hard situation for you as a mom, but I can see both sides of the issue
For me eating meat poses a dilemma between health and what's in my heart. I honestly do my best not to think about it, and there are things I just can't eat such as veal, rabbit, and duck.
Maybe you can convince her to try some organic things where they state that the animals are treated more humanely, that do not involve slaughter, such as organic dairy and cage free eggs. Maybe her conscience would allow her to eat some of those things and help her to get some complete proteins in her body. Good luck!
I've been "twisted" my whole life, Melodie. How about the new pic?
I agree, I have seen and read things of how animals are treated. It is cruel and all. I would love to eat veggies alone, But I know I can't do it.
I can't even afford right now to buy organic and free range meat and eggs.
Melodie i have read several of your posts, you have a good heart
sandi
I can't even afford right now to buy organic and free range meat and eggs.
Melodie i have read several of your posts, you have a good heart
sandi
| QUOTE (livinlowcarbman @ Aug 19 2007, 04:21 PM) |
| I've been "twisted" my whole life, Melodie. How about the new pic? |
Well, it's really you, and seems to match your personality perfectly!
I'm with you, Melodie..I'm glad I live in the days of supermarkets..I don't eat things like bunny rabbits or deer. Anything that was in the movie "Bambi"..LOLO.
Barry says we DO need meat and vegetarianism is not the healthiest way to live. And he says that soy-based formulas can cause brain damage in babies.
This is very scarey...
Barry says we DO need meat and vegetarianism is not the healthiest way to live. And he says that soy-based formulas can cause brain damage in babies.
This is very scarey...
What's the rate of weight lose on this plan?
Baily42,
If anyone gives you a stated rate of weight loss for any plan, it's simply a guess. It all depends on you, your system, and your own compliance with the plan. Someone else may disagree with me on that. Only your own experience can guide you. If you've lost rapidly in the past, you will probably do so on this plan as well.
If anyone gives you a stated rate of weight loss for any plan, it's simply a guess. It all depends on you, your system, and your own compliance with the plan. Someone else may disagree with me on that. Only your own experience can guide you. If you've lost rapidly in the past, you will probably do so on this plan as well.
Everyone is different..Barry wants us to lose FAT, not MUSCLE, so it might
slower than a crash-type diet. He says 1-2 pounds a week is a good loss.
However, it is important to figure out what works for YOU..Some peeps can
lose on 1500 calories, some can't..So tweak away..
Some people do well on 40 carbs, some do better on 30 carbs..and some can do 60 carbs. Just like Atkin's CCL..
Once you figure out your protein and your carbs, then add enough fat 60-70percent to keep you full and your energy up without overdosing on calories.
slower than a crash-type diet. He says 1-2 pounds a week is a good loss.
However, it is important to figure out what works for YOU..Some peeps can
lose on 1500 calories, some can't..So tweak away..
Some people do well on 40 carbs, some do better on 30 carbs..and some can do 60 carbs. Just like Atkin's CCL..
Once you figure out your protein and your carbs, then add enough fat 60-70percent to keep you full and your energy up without overdosing on calories.
Vegans wouldn't believe it, but in my experience organic farmers tend to love their animals, take *very* good care of them, and take great care that they die w/ as little suffering as possible.
We used to raise chickens for meat and eggs. They were named and petted. They were wonderful entertainment (honestly!) and bless their little chicken hearts, I think they were happier chasing bugs in my back yard than they would be out in the woods hiding from foxes. LOL.
And they--ah--didn't experience any slow decline in old age either. ;-)
OTOH, I've personally slaughtered more than enough chickens to make my life complete. Happy to delegate that task to others now.
We used to raise chickens for meat and eggs. They were named and petted. They were wonderful entertainment (honestly!) and bless their little chicken hearts, I think they were happier chasing bugs in my back yard than they would be out in the woods hiding from foxes. LOL.
And they--ah--didn't experience any slow decline in old age either. ;-)
OTOH, I've personally slaughtered more than enough chickens to make my life complete. Happy to delegate that task to others now.
Well I'm excited. Barry Grove's book is no longer on backorder at Amazon and I'm due to receive my copy tomorrow. I can't wait to dig into it.
Got my book yesterday and reading it today. Deb
Wonder when Jimmy's review of the plan will be out?
Wonder when Jimmy's review of the plan will be out?
Gals..so glad that you got Barry's book..I am anxious to see what you both think..as well as Jimmy..
I've been REALLY keeping track of my food this week..especially protein, so I want to see how that affects my weight loss..
I've been REALLY keeping track of my food this week..especially protein, so I want to see how that affects my weight loss..
Carolyn,
Keep us posted. Are you cutting your protein consumption in favor of more fat? I don't mean to sound stupid, but I'm not sure how long you have been following Barry's plan.
Keep us posted. Are you cutting your protein consumption in favor of more fat? I don't mean to sound stupid, but I'm not sure how long you have been following Barry's plan.
I have been following Barry's plan for a year..and maintained my weight of 138 UNTIL I went to Germany this May for vacation and ate a chocolate croissant for breakfast, etc..and gained 9 pounds, I had lost down to 143, but have been hitting it hard this week..and am down to 142..I'm using fitday.
I am trying to keep my protein to around 60+ as I'm short and not that muscular. My percentages were:
Total: 1153
Fat: 91 817 73%
Sat: 28 254 23%
Poly: 11 100 9%
Mono: 24 215 19%
Carbs: 25 73 6%
Fiber: 6 0 0%
Protein: 59 237 21%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%
So, that's about right..We will see what happens on the scale. The carbs
would be slightly higher because I forgot to put in my salad tonight..
I am trying to keep my protein to around 60+ as I'm short and not that muscular. My percentages were:
Total: 1153
Fat: 91 817 73%
Sat: 28 254 23%
Poly: 11 100 9%
Mono: 24 215 19%
Carbs: 25 73 6%
Fiber: 6 0 0%
Protein: 59 237 21%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%
So, that's about right..We will see what happens on the scale. The carbs
would be slightly higher because I forgot to put in my salad tonight..
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