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Hogsfan
...in their diet from vegetables alone? Is that possible without supplementation or Frankenfoods? Jimmy's podcast got me thinking about fiber this morning.

38 grams of fiber is the recommended amount of fiber for guys (I think women should have 25 grams, but not sure) which equates to over 6 cups of spinach a day. I'm just wondering if there is anybody out there who consistently gets that much fiber without supplementation or fake foods? I'd love to hear your opinion (ie "I feel like a rabbit most of the day...." or something like that. wink.gif.

I'm thinking about giving it a shot for a week but hesitant because I'm wondering if the net carbs would be so high it would knock me out of ketosis.
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Jimmy Moore
There are debates about whether you really need that much fiber in your diet or not. Read this guest blog post with the argument AGAINST fiber and then go to my thoughts and ideas about getting more fiber in your diet.

Fiber will NOT kick you out of ketosis, so I wouldn't worry about that too much.
Hogsfan
Thanks Jimmy,
The Groves article was mostly arguing against the supposed benefits of bran. He also argued that the science did not support the benefits of excessive amounts of fiber. He did not, however, specifically dispute the suggested minimum of 38 grams for men (nor offer a better number), and he did, in fact, list benefits of fiber (from better sources) than bran.

Your blog gave great ways to increase fiber from Frankenfoods. I appreciate that information but you answered the exact opposite question I asked. wink.gif

What I wanted to know was does anybody get their minimum requirement of fiber from vegetables WITHOUT supplementing or using manufactured foods?

To put it more clearly...is anybody out there eating 6 cups of spinach a day...15 cups of broccoli, etc?

alpsam
My doctor diagnosed me with diverticulitis, or diverticulosis, I get the two confused, and advised me to consume 25 to 40 grams of fiber a day. I decided my main source of fiber would be a psyllium husk powder, which provides 9 grams of fiber per teaspoon, of which I take 3 per day, mixed in a sugar free drink like crystal light.. I get the stuff at the health food store. I supplement that with veggies to add another few grams. I had constipation problems when I began low carbing, despite drinking over 80 ounces of water a day, and the fiber did the trick for me. Those Atkins treats are bad for me because they trigger cravings for no-nos.

Andy
Jimmy Moore
I eat quite a bit of spinach and cauliflower, but not that much. You don't need GOBS, but some everyday is an excellent start.
valerieslivingbooks
I'll be surprised if there are many guys getting 38 grams of fiber from veggies alone. :-)

I get 20-25 grams, which is borderline, supposedly, but I have no idea how they came up with that RDA, so I am not worried about it.

Every morning I use Flax-Z-Snax (unrefined) hot cereal mix for the flour in my pancakes. That's 8-10 grams of fiber depending on the flavor.

The rest I get from daily salads, daily cooked vegetables, naturally-sweetened chocolate (not daily, not fake food), and LC fruit (not daily).
Hogsfan
QUOTE (valerieslivingbooks @ Sep 11 2007, 02:45 PM)
I'll be surprised if there are many guys getting 38 grams of fiber from veggies alone.  :-)

I get 20-25 grams, which is borderline, supposedly, but I have no idea how they came up with that RDA, so I am not worried about it.

Every morning I use Flax-Z-Snax (unrefined) hot cereal mix for the flour in my pancakes.  That's 8-10 grams of fiber depending on the flavor.

The rest I get from daily salads, daily cooked vegetables, naturally-sweetened chocolate (not daily, not fake food), and LC fruit (not daily).

See, that's what gets me.

If nobody can or does eat 38 grams of fiber from whole produce, how do "they" come up with those numbers?

I guess there is a lot of fiber in beans which we (or at least I) am not eating, but it would seem like if the body 'needed' 38 grams of fiber, it should be fairly easy to get your hands on it in nature.

(By the way, I'm a former kimkin-er...that should explain my obsession with pooping regularly...uh, i mean...fiber. wink.gif ha! I did lose 55 pounds though!)

valerieslivingbooks
Congrats, Hogsfan! And I agree with you on the nature connection.
Jimmy Moore
Welcome HogsFan! It's nice seeing someone familiar here from my Kimkins days. Stick around a while. smile.gif
Dave
Can I ask this one question of you guys?

What purpose do you want fibre to serve in your diet?

I will give you my opinion, when you answer that.
Hogsfan
QUOTE (Dave @ Sep 11 2007, 07:31 PM)
Can I ask this one question of you guys?

What purpose do you want fibre to serve in your diet?

I will give you my opinion, when you answer that.

Dave,
That's an excellent question. Mostly, I just want to be regular...but I also really like eating vegetables (a result of Kimkins actually...totally changed my appetite for veggies) and recently noticed how full they make me feel.

Diverticulitis runs in my family as well so I figured fiber can't hurt.

you?
Kanjivee
QUOTE (Hogsfan @ Sep 11 2007, 10:53 PM)
QUOTE (Dave @ Sep 11 2007, 07:31 PM)
Can I ask this one question of you guys?

What purpose do you want fibre to serve in your diet?

I will give you my opinion, when you answer that.

Dave,
That's an excellent question. Mostly, I just want to be regular...but I also really like eating vegetables (a result of Kimkins actually...totally changed my appetite for veggies) and recently noticed how full they make me feel.

Diverticulitis runs in my family as well so I figured fiber can't hurt.

you?

When I started Atkins about 5 weeks ago I went from being very regular to blocked up - I was almost considering giving up based on just that. I felt bloated and fat for days. I tried a few things but in the end a serve of Metamucil a day keeps things ticking over. There is no way I could eat enough veges each day to achieve that. I just want to be regular too biggrin.gif
LindaSue
I do better on less fiber. When I eat a lot of fiber, I get blocked up and bloated. I don't have any bathroom issues when my fiber is low so I don't worry about it. I typically eat less than 10 grams per day. I think it may actually be that eating more fat helps with regularity better than fiber.
Jimmy Moore
And water helps keep things moving so to speak too! biggrin.gif
renegadediabetic
QUOTE (Hogsfan @ Sep 11 2007, 03:06 PM)
If nobody can or does eat 38 grams of fiber from whole produce, how do "they" come up with those numbers?

Probably to promote grain and cereal consumption. Like the food pyramid, it's probably more about economics than about health. Many have pointed out that grain fiber inhibits the absorbsion of nutrients, while soluable vegetable fibers don't. I guess micronutrients are a secondary consideration to achieving some arbitrary mix of fat, protein, & carbs. smile.gif


I am begining to think fiber is overrated. They say it fills you up. They say it prevents diabetes & heart disease. Those theories sound good, but my experience says otherwise.

In my low fat days, I ate plenty of "complex carbs" and plenty of fiber. It did keep me regular, but that's about it. It may have filled me up initially, but did nothing to curb my cravings. It certainly didn't help me avoid diabetes, which also puts you at risk for heart disease. laugh.gif

I get about 10 - 15 g per day from vegetables, low sugar fruits, and nuts & seeds (including flax seeds). I add a tablespoon of psyllium husks on most days. That keeps me regular, but I don't look for any other benefits. I buy psyllium husks in bulk from my grocery store. It's cheap with no other additives. You have to be careful with Metamucil and other fiber supplements as many of them contain added sugar.

Someone at Dr B's diabetes forum pointed out a site: The Fiber Menace.

http://www.fibermenace.com/

The site points out some fiber myths and allows you to order the author's book. I haven't ordered the book, but the site is thought provoking. If anyone has read the book, please let us know what you think.
Jeff726
I hardly eat any fiber and am doing ok.
Hogsfan
QUOTE (renegadediabetic @ Sep 12 2007, 11:09 AM)
QUOTE (Hogsfan @ Sep 11 2007, 03:06 PM)
If nobody can or does eat 38 grams of fiber from whole produce, how do "they" come up with those numbers?

Probably to promote grain and cereal consumption. Like the food pyramid, it's probably more about economics than about health. Many have pointed out that grain fiber inhibits the absorbsion of nutrients, while soluable vegetable fibers don't. I guess micronutrients are a secondary consideration to achieving some arbitrary mix of fat, protein, & carbs. smile.gif


I am begining to think fiber is overrated. They say it fills you up. They say it prevents diabetes & heart disease. Those theories sound good, but my experience says otherwise.

In my low fat days, I ate plenty of "complex carbs" and plenty of fiber. It did keep me regular, but that's about it. It may have filled me up initially, but did nothing to curb my cravings. It certainly didn't help me avoid diabetes, which also puts you at risk for heart disease. laugh.gif

I get about 10 - 15 g per day from vegetables, low sugar fruits, and nuts & seeds (including flax seeds). I add a tablespoon of psyllium husks on most days. That keeps me regular, but I don't look for any other benefits. I buy psyllium husks in bulk from my grocery store. It's cheap with no other additives. You have to be careful with Metamucil and other fiber supplements as many of them contain added sugar.

Someone at Dr B's diabetes forum pointed out a site: The Fiber Menace.

http://www.fibermenace.com/

The site points out some fiber myths and allows you to order the author's book. I haven't ordered the book, but the site is thought provoking. If anyone has read the book, please let us know what you think.

He lost me when he said "A high fiber diet speeds food through the digestive track" is a myth.

I'm living proof that is NOT the case. wink.gif
Jowest
I think that this is going to come down to the individual. The whole "you have to do what is right for you" concept the majority of the dieting community can not seem to grasp.

I am like Linda Sue. I don't mean to get gross here but I eat very little fiber and have quite the opposite result on atkins than hogsfan; full blown diarrhea. Fiber does not seem to do anything to me either way. I am willing to bet there is WAY more science that needs to be applied to this study.

Have you tried an increase in fat? My theory for me is that is why I have diarrhea. I had to lower my fat intake just to keep from dehydrating.
OceanBlue
QUOTE (Jowest @ Sep 12 2007, 04:39 PM)
I am like Linda Sue. I don't mean to get gross here but I eat very little fiber and have quite the opposite result on atkins than hogsfan; full blown diarrhea. Fiber does not seem to do anything to me either way. I am willing to bet there is WAY more science that needs to be applied to this study.

Have you tried an increase in fat? My theory for me is that is why I have diarrhea. I had to lower my fat intake just to keep from dehydrating.

Interesting. I also am in the same boat. However, I did read somewhere in the past couple of days that too little fat in your diet can cause diarrhea. That is one of the things on my list to research. KK was horrible to me in that regard. After reading that, I decided to look into it since I'm going to continue the LC lifestyle. It would be nice to figure out what or what combination of things caused it. I think it may have been Jimmy that said it. I can't remember.

Hogsfan
QUOTE (Jowest @ Sep 12 2007, 04:39 PM)
I think that this is going to come down to the individual. The whole "you have to do what is right for you" concept the majority of the dieting community can not seem to grasp.

I am like Linda Sue. I don't mean to get gross here but I eat very little fiber and have quite the opposite result on atkins than hogsfan; full blown diarrhea. Fiber does not seem to do anything to me either way. I am willing to bet there is WAY more science that needs to be applied to this study.

Have you tried an increase in fat? My theory for me is that is why I have diarrhea. I had to lower my fat intake just to keep from dehydrating.

Wow Jowest,
I don't know whether I should congratulate first for the weight loss...or the cute girls in your family! wink.gif
theTRUTH
In my experience, fat helps. Fiber helps. I don't even need a lot of either.

Benefiber anyone? debate?
snailspace
If you're looking to add fiber, try flaxseed meal. I use Bob's Red Mill Golden Organic, 2 tbs have 4 gms carbs, 4 gms fiber. Coconut flour is another good source, 2 tbs have 10 gms carbs, 9 fiber. Some people mix either in their protein shakes, some put them into lc baked goods. They add fiber w/o a lot of carbs. And they taste good, too.
Hogsfan
QUOTE (theTRUTH @ Sep 14 2007, 10:03 PM)
In my experience, fat helps. Fiber helps. I don't even need a lot of either.

Benefiber anyone? debate?

I use benefiber...but never got any "results." Then I read about the difference between soluable and insoluable fiber. If your supplementing with fiber to get some "action", metamucil (sp?) is a better choice than benefiber.
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