Caffeine While On Ketosis - Low Carb Discussion Forum

diamondwife

Sep 9 2007, 10:42am

ok, Tom...prior to 2005 has no meaning because I just steadily gained from around 180 in 1991 to around 260 in January 2005. The 1st 30 day period (from 1/16/05 to 2/16/05 is the ONLY time I cut out all caffiene)

1/16/05...................257 (day 1 of protein plus/trim body system)
2/16/05...................235
3/16/05...................225
4/16/05...................214.5
6/16/05...................198
8/16/05...................185
10/16/05.................176
12/16/05.................184 (Thanksgiving)
1/06.......................195 (Christmas

2/06.......................193 (Day 1 of Atkins)
3/06.......................184
4/06.......................176
5/06.......................167
6/06.......................173
7/06.......................176
8/06.......................184
9/06.......................184
10/06.....................182
11/06.....................185
12/06.....................195
1/07.......................195 (restart protein plus)
2/07.......................193
3/07.......................190
4/07.......................185
5/07.......................181
6/07.......................176
7/07.......................178
8/07.......................180

I showed you mine, will you show me your's? Oh yeah, and I'm not a "lifetime dieter". Jan '05 was the first time I put any real effort into losing weight.

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The Bunnell Farm

Sep 9 2007, 10:45am

QUOTE (curtlc @ Sep 9 2007, 09:20 AM)

Hey Tom,

You rock too! I agree, we need facts, facts, and more facts to get rid of the hearsay. The main thing I hope from this thread is to see what happens to people when they use caffeine in ketosis. In another thread, I agreed with you that there is a penalty to be paid for use of caffeine. It'd actually be great if you wanted to add a "study" here in the Empirical Data topic for people to post their mental/spiritual effects, addiction to, and withdrawal from caffeine to balance the postings about the positive physical effects some report here. Either way, your input is valuable, thanks!

It's my belief that I can never change anyone's mind, only their perspective, and that the most powerful way we have in this world to influence others is by example.

Curt

Thanks, I don't have any Empirical Data or Studies to prove anything. That's the first thing that everybody comes with is 'prove it' so that they can back up there addictions and negate everything you say. It's there offensive/defensive tactic to protect there addiction. That and credentials, what are your credentials? If you have no credentials then you know nothing! Thereby protecting there addictions again. There is no penetrating of these barriers. Addictions are powerful forces!

The Bunnell Farm

Sep 9 2007, 10:49am

QUOTE (The Bunnell Farm @ Aug 23 2007, 11:06 AM)

Those 'adrenaline' effects of caffeine that you mention, effect every single user of this drug profoundly and dramatically the world over! That's about 90% of the earths population, probably more! These effects appear as subtle but are in fact, far reaching and life altering just like 'hybrid' carbohydrates and speed. Were talking the 'mind' and Psyche and spirit of man! 'Profound effects'!

Yup!

The Bunnell Farm

Sep 9 2007, 11:00am

Empirical Data: This is information based on observation and experience, not scientific reasoning. Empirical data is often very accurate, although it is not accepted as scientifically sound; however, no area of science is devoid of a real-world/empirical component.

I didn't really know what this word meant until just now. I guess my views and experiences are known to sometimes be of substance. Was good to hear! Thanks to both you and Jimmy.

PatriciaM

Sep 10 2007, 4:13pm

Hi guys, thought I'd jump in here and give my two cents. I drink approximately 3-4 strong cups of caffinated coffee a day and have never found it to hinder my weight loss. If I'm addicted, so be it! I just know that I function alot better in the early AM (especially when working out) if I've had a cup of caffinated joe. I guess the coffee police are lookin' for me. LOL

Pat

gettinitright

Sep 13 2007, 7:17pm

I didn't want to be the odd person out, but... While on Induction, I have had a negative effect on my diet with caffeine. Let me explain.

In my experience, I found that after a about amount 6-8 cups of strong regular coffee daily (48-64 oz), the appetite control that low-carb diets tend to promote backfires. My hunger revs up, I end up eating more protein, which my body doesn't use. That protein ends up being converted to insulin, and my weight loss stalls.

I have ADD and the coffee helps me stay calm and focused, as does this new WOE. I just keep the amount of caffeine I consume reigned in to about 4 cups a day and lose weight just fine.

-Kristen

Hogsfan

Sep 13 2007, 10:35pm

QUOTE (gettinitright @ Sep 13 2007, 07:17 PM)

I didn't want to be the odd person out, but... While on Induction, I have had a negative effect on my diet with caffeine. Let me explain.

In my experience, I found that after a about amount 6-8 cups of strong regular coffee daily (48-64 oz), the appetite control that low-carb diets tend to promote backfires. My hunger revs up, I end up eating more protein, which my body doesn't use. That protein ends up being converted to insulin, and my weight loss stalls.

I have ADD and the coffee helps me stay calm and focused, as does this new WOE. I just keep the amount of caffeine I consume reigned in to about 4 cups a day and lose weight just fine.

-Kristen

Hey gettingitright,
That's very interesting. Ya know, one of the good things that came out of my experience at Kimkins is I realized how many carbs I was ingesting that I didn't even realize I was taking in.

For example, I love coffee. I wouldn't say I'm "addicted" to it but only because I know enough people who struggle with real addictions that I feel like using that word so losely is not appropriate...but I sure to do like it a lot!

I never realized before kimkins that a grande cup of drip coffee with 2 Splenda packets and a little bit of heavy cream was actually 4 grams of carbs. (2 for black coffee, .9 for each packet of splenda and .5 ish for the cream)I was counting it as .5 for the cream.

I'm wondering if it's possible that that it wasn't the caffeine that was jacking your appetite up as much as the carb count itself. Even if you take your coffee black, 64 ounces of coffee is 8 carbs. Where you factoring that into your carb count? Could that be possible?

Taoschick

Sep 14 2007, 2:30am

I asked my brother, who started Atkins at the same time I did, if he had problems with caffeine and he said it stalled his weight loss. I, on the other hand, don't think I would have made it through the first month without coffee and I lost my weight a lot faster.

simons2cents

Sep 14 2007, 3:01pm

Interesting information about caffine. I have been doing a lot of scrutinizing of my menus trying to figure out why I gained, and am not losing, and was thinking of cutting the caffine, so I am glad to hear that there are some benefits.

gettinitright

Sep 15 2007, 12:28am

Hey Hogsfan,

Thanks for the info! That's what so great about this site...I am always learning about this new WOE.

I betcha with those hidden carbs, were something I never even counted. Even though I drink it black, it adds up when you are on Induction (20 grams max)

Thanks again!

-Kristen

Jazzy

Sep 18 2007, 12:11am

QUOTE (curtlc @ Aug 24 2007, 10:44 PM)

And don't forget, excess potassium on a low-carb diet is converted by your uvula to bubblegum, and clogs your right elbow!

Doesn't anyone want to talk about my topic: CAFFEINE?

Hey, I'm a singer......
I know what a uvula is!
To raise the uvula you
only have to think about it!

I'm curious about the caffeine
question, too. I'm a coffee
drinker. Dr. Atkins says it's
better not to do it, but the
Drs. Eades say it's okay--and
I'm sure they wouldn't want
anyone to overdo it.

I'd really like to know what
others think...I love my coffee
in the mornings!

In the Spirit!
Jazzy
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Jazzy

Sep 18 2007, 12:20am

QUOTE (sjm @ Aug 25 2007, 12:25 AM)

QUOTE (curtlc @ Aug 24 2007, 09:44 PM)

And don't forget, excess potassium on a low-carb diet is converted by your uvula to bubblegum, and clogs your right elbow!

Doesn't anyone want to talk about my topic: CAFFEINE?

http://www.atkins.com/research-library/cou...chterm=caffeine

Hi, SJM!

Thanks so much for the link!

That's all I needed to know!

I will drink my coffee guilt-free!

Oh, yeah!

Love in the Spirit that unites us!

Jazzy
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diamondwife

Sep 18 2007, 8:14am

QUOTE (Jazzy @ Sep 17 2007, 11:20 PM)

QUOTE (sjm @ Aug 25 2007, 12:25 AM)

QUOTE (curtlc @ Aug 24 2007, 09:44 PM)

And don't forget, excess potassium on a low-carb diet is converted by your uvula to bubblegum, and clogs your right elbow!

Doesn't anyone want to talk about my topic: CAFFEINE?

http://www.atkins.com/research-library/cou...chterm=caffeine

Hi, SJM!

Thanks so much for the link!

That's all I needed to know!

I will drink my coffee guilt-free!

Oh, yeah!

Love in the Spirit that unites us!

Jazzy
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Somehow I missed that link before. Great one SJM!!

The Bunnell Farm

Sep 18 2007, 9:23am

QUOTE (diamondwife @ Sep 18 2007, 07:14 AM)

QUOTE (Jazzy @ Sep 17 2007, 11:20 PM)

QUOTE (sjm @ Aug 25 2007, 12:25 AM)

QUOTE (curtlc @ Aug 24 2007, 09:44 PM)

And don't forget, excess potassium on a low-carb diet is converted by your uvula to bubblegum, and clogs your right elbow!

Doesn't anyone want to talk about my topic: CAFFEINE?

http://www.atkins.com/research-library/cou...chterm=caffeine

Hi, SJM!

Thanks so much for the link!

That's all I needed to know!

I will drink my coffee guilt-free!

Oh, yeah!

Love in the Spirit that unites us!

Jazzy
user posted image

Somehow I missed that link before. Great one SJM!!

And not a single word is spoken about how this powerful stimulant effects the human mind and emotions and Psyche and senses and the way we think and feel and act and the things we do and where we live and how many children we have and how we choose to live our lives and what we like and dislike. -- Not to mention how superior and sure of ourselves we feel when we are on this continual 'high'! Oh what a fool I am!

Jimmy Moore

Sep 18 2007, 11:24am

Yeah, I agree, Tom. You ARE a fool.

diamondwife

Sep 18 2007, 11:09pm

QUOTE (diamondwife @ Sep 9 2007, 09:42 AM)

Tom's original quote...
I think that all of these caffeine endorsers should all post there lifetime weights with all of there current and past and present weight losses and everything in the form of a chart that is easily readable for lets say the last ten years and current until right now. I think the 'Kimkins' of this world are many and that there promotions of there addictions are many. A lot of people are following the advice of these authoritative parties and are unwittingly being influenced by these carbohydrate and sweetener and caffeine addicts! They got recipes and statistics and they know everything and of course we can't see there present or past waistline or view there life and they 'talk' really well and they are for sure not going to let anybody sway them into the pain and suffering involved in breaking these addictions. It's called 'denial'. Denial and bring everybody down with you. ie, Kimmer! It's important to note that these 'lifetime dieters' mean well. They can't help it! They are addicts! Addictions are powerful forces! Just listen! ...

My reply...ok, Tom...prior to 2005 has no meaning because I just steadily gained from around 180 in 1991 to around 260 in January 2005. The 1st 30 day period (from 1/16/05 to 2/16/05 is the ONLY time I cut out all caffiene)

1/16/05...................257 (day 1 of protein plus/trim body system)
2/16/05...................235
3/16/05...................225
4/16/05...................214.5
6/16/05...................198
8/16/05...................185
10/16/05.................176
12/16/05.................184 (Thanksgiving)
1/06.......................195 (Christmas

2/06.......................193 (Day 1 of Atkins)
3/06.......................184
4/06.......................176
5/06.......................167
6/06.......................173
7/06.......................176
8/06.......................184
9/06.......................184
10/06.....................182
11/06.....................185
12/06.....................195
1/07.......................195 (restart protein plus)
2/07.......................193
3/07.......................190
4/07.......................185
5/07.......................181
6/07.......................176
7/07.......................178
8/07.......................180

I showed you mine, will you show me your's? Oh yeah, and I'm not a "lifetime dieter". Jan '05 was the first time I put any real effort into losing weight.

Tom , you asked for something and I replied, but not a word was spoken until now. And all the time I spent looking up my past weights and making this nice little chart for you...

FormerDonutJunkie

Sep 19 2007, 7:17am

Caffeine is one of those things that is a very individual and personal decision when it comes to low-carbing. And we could all sit here and cite studies that support both sides of the caffeine issue, but in the end not a thing would be settled.

Fact is, this was not even a discussion about whether caffeine had any harmful effects on the body in general, whether it was good for you or bad for you, or should be consumed at all. The original post by curtlc was merely a request for information and was simply stated as follows:

QUOTE

"I'd like to collect people's experiences with caffeine while in ketosis or in the induction phase of Adkins, where your carbs are 20g or below. Please post your experience! I realize that some people don't want to "use a drug" on principle, but this topic is for facts and experience, not judgements."

Tom, my friend, we all appreciate and value your input here and I know you have strong convictions about many things including caffeine, and it is great to believe strongly about things. However, that doesn't mean everyone who doesn't believe like you do or conform to your world view of things should be condemned or criticized, and even categorized as evil. Those are your own personal lifestyle decisions and not everyone wants to live by them or have them forced on them like some cult teaching. Your conclusions might be better tolerated by offering them as matters of discussion and suggestions rather than laws or mandates imposed on others. Remember the old saying, "A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down easier?" The input, opinions and experiences of others are such a valuable asset of this wonderful community of encouraging low-carbers.

For me, I've tried drinking caffeine and not drinking caffeine while low-carbing. As I mentioned earlier, I tried abstaining from it on induction and nearly killed myself. Trying to withdraw from sugar and caffeine at the same time is not a good idea in my opinion. I later quit caffeine for two weeks and saw no difference in my weight loss. I have been drinking caffeine again for about 4 to 6 weeks and it has not slowed my weight loss. I've got an eleven week average of 2.6 pounds per week lost. So, in the grand scheme of things, caffeine seems to have no effect on MY weight loss.

As with many other facets of low-carbing...YMMV...Your Mileage May Vary! Just because caffeine didn't effect my weight loss doesn't mean I'm going to try to condemn and criticize those who don't want to drink it because they believe it effects their weight loss.

That's just my two cents worth! For what it's worth.

Ron, aka The Former Donut Junkie

Jimmy Moore

Sep 19 2007, 12:48pm

Well said, Ron!

valerieslivingbooks

Sep 20 2007, 8:25am

QUOTE (The Bunnell Farm @ Sep 9 2007, 09:56 AM)

I think that all of these caffeine endorsers should all post there lifetime weights with all of there current and past and present weight losses and everything in the form of a chart that is easily readable for lets say the last ten years and current until right now. I think the 'Kimkins' of this world are many and that there promotions of there addictions are many. A lot of people are following the advice of these authoritative parties and are unwittingly being influenced by these carbohydrate and sweetener and caffeine addicts! They got recipes and statistics and they know everything and of course we can't see there present or past waistline or view there life and they 'talk' really well and they are for sure not going to let anybody sway them into the pain and suffering involved in breaking these addictions. It's called 'denial'. Denial and bring everybody down with you. ie, Kimmer! It's important to note that these 'lifetime dieters' mean well. They can't help it! They are addicts! Addictions are powerful forces! Just listen!

I'm not a "caffeine endorser" but....
1981 140....
1982 165.... 17 yo and in college, end of first semester

1983 135.... Got that gain nipped in the bud with a very low calorie, very silly diet.

1984 147.... I couldn't keep starvation up forever though....

1985 147
1986 147 graduated BSN, RN
1987 147
1988 147.... graduated MS. Decided I'd like to be slimmer so I went on and stayed on a low-fat diet.

1989 132 MARRIED
1990 128 BABY
1991 117
1992 123 BABY
1993 125 BABY
1994 125
1995 138 BABY
1996 125 BABY (1995 and 1996 were born 12 mos. apart)
1997 135
1998 128.... BABY And with that, I gave up fighting the low-fat fight; it was just tooooo hard to be hungry ALL THE TIME! I was hungry all day. I went to bed hungry every night. I was thin, but it was such hard and painful work to keep it that way.

1999 145
2000 155 BABY
2001 155
2002 165 BABY
2003 178... BABY Found Atkins in October 2003. I finally read the book, confirmed what it said with my own, independent research, and found out that many of my diet prejudices were just that.

2004 145... BABY
2005 132...
2006 135...
2007 142... BABY Expecting low 130 again by year-end, and I'm in this FOR LIFE!

The years I was obese: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003

The years I had caffeine: 1989 (regular), 2004 (occasional), 2005 (regular), 2006 (regular), 2007 (< once/month, but will probably increase it)

My 125# weights in the 1990's were "weak." I had very little muscle. I look at pictures now, and my arms look like sticks!

And the 117 was ridiculous; I'll never be back there again, I hope. (At low-to-mid 130's on low-carb I wear the very same size that I wore at 117 eating low-fat, a *smaller* size than I could wear at 125 eating low-fat.)

I'm not a caffeine endorser; I'm a listen-to-your-body endorser.

Tom, this subject seems to bring out a lot of strong emotions and powerful rhetoric from you.

Bryan

Sep 29 2007, 7:13am

QUOTE (The Bunnell Farm @ Sep 18 2007, 08:23 AM)

And not a single word is spoken about how this powerful stimulant effects the human mind and emotions and Psyche and senses and the way we think and feel and act and the things we do and where we live and how many children we have and how we choose to live our lives and what we like and dislike. -- Not to mention how superior and sure of ourselves we feel when we are on this continual 'high'! Oh what a fool I am!

So...

Aside from it giving you more energy, providing antioxidants, and helping with the breakdown of fatty acids, you're also telling us that it improves your mood, and gives you added self-confiance.

Sounds to me like caffiene is right up there with aspirin as a wonder drug.