erialicia
Aug 12 2007, 7:27pm
Hi, I am brand new to this site. Ive been a reader of Jimmy's for what seems years now! Not new to trying to lose weight. I have about 60 pounds to lose, and ive never been successful with low carb, but ive know I am a carb addict just about my whole life. I recently lost 20 of my pounds on Nutrisystem, but now I cant do it anymore! Ive been obsessed with thinking about food the whole time and have started binging the last 2 weeks. Im afraid if I keep this up all my weight will be back.
I am trying the Carb addicts diet. Remember the Heller's? I actually am going to try to keep it as close to Atkins as possible, but have the "reward meal" as needed and always sugar free!
Just wondering if anybody still does this plan
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Welcome to the forum Carolyn.
To be honest I have doubts about this plan. A true addict can't control it by having a reward indulgence.
It's like being a drunk, but only drinking in a certain hour a day.
It's simply not possible for an addict to control themselves long term this way.
Just my two cents.
Is it based on a reward meal once a day?
ladyred
Aug 12 2007, 9:04pm
I have done this plan before and did quite well for awhile. The problem is I let my reward meals get out of hand and then went off completely. I was going to have a go at it again this time but decided to go with Atkins instead because there will be less temptation for me.
Jimmy Moore
Aug 12 2007, 9:49pm
I'm not fond of the Heller's diet personally, but an occasional planned splurge could help. It did me when I was losing.
cartbabe
Aug 12 2007, 10:20pm
I recently (a few months ago) tried this for "a few" days. This was the ONLY time in the last five years that I had stuff like 1/2 baked potato/ 1/2 cup brown rice/once an organic sweet treat.............it literally lasted a few days. Five years with none of these things, and now I can NOT add them. I feel like I am committing a terrible crime, and I feel mentally that I just can NOT do it. That's fine. I have changed my lifestyle, and it has become such habit, that I can't even force myself to put these things into my mouth. Thank GOD! I just wish that I could apply this attitude to portions without having to count and measure. OH well, I consider it a total blessing not to be able to force myself to do CAD.
I HAVE heard, researched, and seen that it does work for some people.
erialicia
Aug 12 2007, 11:07pm
Thank you for the replies!
Well you have helped me decide against Carb addicts diet. I think for me being so sensitive to carbs it may end up doing more harm than good. Maybe someday when I can get the food under control I can try it.
Dave
Aug 12 2007, 11:53pm
| QUOTE (erialicia @ Aug 13 2007, 02:07 PM) |
Thank you for the replies! Well you have helped me decide against Carb addicts diet. I think for me being so sensitive to carbs it may end up doing more harm than good. Maybe someday when I can get the food under control I can try it. |
Carolyn,
I think that's for the best. More moderate plans like Atkins, protein power or South Beach would be the way to go.
For you I would look at Protein power or Atkins.
Look at how many folks are doing now compare to 6 years ago. Very few. I think time showed that most people had the same issues.
planned cheat turns into a cheat day, cheat weekend, cheat week etc.
Jimmy Moore
Aug 13 2007, 9:00am
Not necessarily, Dave. When I was first losing that planned splurge for one meal every 6-8 weeks was what kept me on the straight and narrow. I don't need it anymore, but I'm glad it was there for me.
The Bunnell Farm
Aug 13 2007, 9:23am
| QUOTE (livinlowcarbman @ Aug 13 2007, 06:00 AM) |
| Not necessarily, Dave. When I was first losing that planned splurge for one meal every 6-8 weeks was what kept me on the straight and narrow. I don't need it anymore, but I'm glad it was there for me. |
I think so too! If we tighten the rope to tight we can have a tendency to convince ourselves that other things are more important right now. Then we can easily fall all the way off from our diet and fail in our endeavor. An occasional 'testing of the water' to see how it felt and how it feels might do more good than harm. There isn't any question that we are going to be 'seriously low carbers' for the rest of our lives! It's just a matter of the 'how's' of making it happen.
| QUOTE (livinlowcarbman @ Aug 14 2007, 12:00 AM) |
| Not necessarily, Dave. When I was first losing that planned splurge for one meal every 6-8 weeks was what kept me on the straight and narrow. I don't need it anymore, but I'm glad it was there for me. |
It actually did the opposite to me.
Allowed me to sink into a year long stall etc.
I nolonger believe in the planned cheats.
erialicia
Aug 13 2007, 9:52pm
I think it would work if I planned my reward meals around fruit such as strawberries, or nuts or avocado or an occasional serving of brown rice, like quarter cup. Just something to keep me going. Over at LCF people on the carb addicts diet eat donuts, cake and icecream for reward meal. I could never do that, it just doesnt even sound right!
cartbabe
Aug 13 2007, 10:08pm
| QUOTE (Dave @ Aug 13 2007, 05:44 PM) |
| QUOTE (livinlowcarbman @ Aug 14 2007, 12:00 AM) | | Not necessarily, Dave. When I was first losing that planned splurge for one meal every 6-8 weeks was what kept me on the straight and narrow. I don't need it anymore, but I'm glad it was there for me. |
It actually did the opposite to me.
Allowed me to sink into a year long stall etc.
I nolonger believe in the planned cheats.
|
Dave, I say this with COMPLETE respect. You are an awesome inspiration and a TOTAL low carb winner in my eyes. However, we absolutely MUST remember that this journey IS indeed different for every individual. I have found in my own life, and have seen it in the lives of many others, that we all come to proverbial "forks in the road", where what we have been doing all of a sudden doesn't work quite like it did before. At that time, we must make a different journey plan.
Different foods are different things for different people. There are loads of LC'ers that can eat sugar free jello. "Me" can't.
There are loads of LC'ers who can drink coffee without a problem. Although, I USED to be able to drink it without probs, now I can't.
I used to be able to drink diet soda without a problem, now I can't.
That doesn't mean for a second, that I would tell someone who can, that they can't.
I feel that we must respect the differences in our bodies, in our urges, in our control, etc. I have seen MANY a successful low carber who are tiny little people now, and they routinely eat a "cheat" (or whatever you want to call it) meal once a month, and some even once a week!
If it works for them, and their labs show they remain healthy, I can't in any way, discourage them from what works for them.
I, like you, have had to adopt a more totalitarian form of low carbing.
However, if it works for someone else, I feel that we must all respect what works for each individual.
I am pretty sure that what you are saying is that you no longer believe in planned cheats for YOU. If another person is still indulging in planned cheat and it isn't working, then sure, they need to reconsider what they are doing.
Even though MOST people may have found that the planned cheats didn't work, some did. I think, respectfully, that each person must find what works for them. If that one reward is what keeps people on the straight and narrow ninety-nine percent of the time, then, perhaps for the time-being, it is what they need.
Respectfully,
Mary
Sandi
Aug 13 2007, 10:17pm
SOmewhere and I don't remember where I read it, Ok Memory is going,
The person said, if you know your going to cheat, you should go back to induction and lose about 3 pounds BEFORE you do the cheat.
This way you don't get carried away and all
It makes me think planned cheats need to be just that PLANNED
sandi
Jimmy Moore
Aug 13 2007, 10:27pm
Well said Mary! Experiment to see what works for you.
Dave
Aug 13 2007, 11:19pm
Mary,
I thought I was talking about me??
"I" nolonger believe in planned cheats.
So yeah, I'm talkin about me.
I'm not trying to stop any of you guys from having pizza and donuts, I just don't believe in doing it anymore.
I am slowly killing myself that way.
BUt I get what you are saying.
cartbabe
Aug 13 2007, 11:53pm
lol, I don't think that EVERYBODY who does planned excursions does it with pizza and donuts ROFL. (TO me, the thought of pizza and donuts is laughably ridiculous). BUT, that's the point I was trying to make LOL. You have the funniest sense of humor and NEVER fail to make me laugh

Hugs Dave!
| QUOTE (cartbabe @ Aug 14 2007, 02:53 PM) |
lol, I don't think that EVERYBODY who does planned excursions does it with pizza and donuts ROFL. (TO me, the thought of pizza and donuts is laughably ridiculous). BUT, that's the point I was trying to make LOL. You have the funniest sense of humor and NEVER fail to make me laugh 
Hugs Dave! |
I remember a certain Low Carb Blogger that posted that he went to a pizza restaurant and this unbelieveable amount of slices. Like heaps.
He got into strife with that!
That goes back a bit.
Do you still do that Jim?
| QUOTE (cartbabe @ Aug 14 2007, 02:53 PM) |
lol, I don't think that EVERYBODY who does planned excursions does it with pizza and donuts ROFL. (TO me, the thought of pizza and donuts is laughably ridiculous). BUT, that's the point I was trying to make LOL. You have the funniest sense of humor and NEVER fail to make me laugh 
Hugs Dave! |
Sadly
This is kinda what I've been doing over the last year or so.
Krispy Kremes openned up in Australia.
I tell ya, it's just not good for ya!
How come my cheats aren't about brussel sprouts or whatever.
What planned cheats do you do?
Jimmy Moore
Aug 14 2007, 5:26pm
Sure, I ate pizza...LOTS OF IT...when I was implementing my planned splurge strategy back in 2004 when I lost 180 pounds on the Atkins diet. But over time, you just don't want to do that anymore and I haven't needed to "cheat" anymore because I know what I want and need for my body. Haven't done it in nearly two years.
It was a tremendous help to me and gave me that added incentive to make it to my ultimate goal without feeling deprived. Now I just make better choices for myself.
Sparkys Girl
Aug 15 2007, 12:06am
Dave,
Krispy Kremes are evil and should be avoided at all costs! I refuse to even drive by them for fear the "hot" light will be on. LOL
I've noticed the same things. How come I never "pig-out' on salad? Hmmm? It's just not gonna happen.
I couldn't make CAD work for me either. Instead of a reward meal, it turned into a reward day. That day turned into a reward week, etc. etc. I do know several people that have done well on it though. Dr. Atkins was surely talking about me when he mentioned the "one bite is the kiss of death" thing. That's all it takes to set me off so I have to be very careful. I know my limits and have to respect them. But as Mary mentioned, different strokes for different folks.
Barb F.
Aug 15 2007, 12:17pm
I did the Heller's Lifespan program several years ago. Actually lost 55 lbs in about 11 months. The problem was, I fought and lost the battle not to make the reward meal a carbfest. I've always been an evening binger and this didn't help me overcome the urge. I do know alot of people who use the Hellers plans that have great success and are able to use the reward meal for healthy carb choices (fruit, starchier veggies, dairy). Just didn't work for me.
I found that I easily could eat more in one hour than I would have had all day without dieting at all. I gained weight, unfortunately. I loved the plan aside from that one little problem.
Rozi
TazChick
Aug 16 2007, 9:21pm
Dave:
Krispy (or as I call them )Carby Cremes are NASTY! I don't get their appeal at all - but my tastes have changed ,big time.
My last pigout, I bought a pint of hoggy -daz , new toffee pudding flavor that I used to like -I gagged on it and threw it out after one bite . My actual pigout turned out a entire bag of sligthy softened, unsweetened frozen strawberries - now those were amazing.
(I'm trying to stick with induction until my trip so no fruit, and I'm a berry fanatic) Not exactly brussel sprouts, but a long way from where I used to be!
I think I had daily reward meals I'd never learn to live without the carbs that are bad for me, or challenge myslef to live life without them. Some of my best recipes have come from that improvising , like pizza-style frittata. The slips have serve one really great purpose "ewww, that didn't taste as good as my low-carb recipes!"
Npnfeef
Aug 17 2007, 10:23am
In my opinion, the Carbohydrate Addict's Diet would work best for people who are NOT, in fact, carbohydrate addicts.
Very few if any actual carbohydrate addicts could handle a daily "free meal" for long.
Nikki
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