CindySue54
Aug 11 2007, 5:57pm
Hi all!! This part of the forum is a little slow, so I figured I'd start a post just for those of us that want to post about our plan, or need support, or just for the heck of it!
In my opinion Protein Power is the best plan...it certainly is best for me!!
I've been following plan since March and have now lost a total of 76 pounds! And, I just this AM hit a mini-goal of 180. This is the lowest I've been since I was pregnant with my son....who's now 22
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Jimmy Moore
Aug 11 2007, 6:04pm
I am so proud of you, CindySue!!!
| QUOTE (CindySue54 @ Aug 11 2007, 10:57 PM) |
| I've been following plan since March and have now lost a total of 76 pounds! And, I just this AM hit a mini-goal of 180. This is the lowest I've been since I was pregnant with my son....who's now 22 |
Congratulations
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I have to admit that I miss those milestones - staying the same might be the goal of maintenance, but it just doesn't give the same buzz as seeing a new number, or fitting in some clothes you haven't been able to wear for years
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cartbabe
Aug 12 2007, 3:21am
Congratulations, CindySue! Your journey is progressing so well! Your success, your knowledge, and your journey are so encouraging and inspiring. Thank you for sharing them with us!
Jimmy Moore
Aug 12 2007, 7:22am
Liz, I agree about maintenance...sorta. While the thrill of the scale moving stops, there is certainly a buzz from challenging yourself to KEEP the weight off with that same anxious intensity. It sounds easy enough but harder said than done. That's why I've always called this a journey and it remains one to this day.
ladyred
Aug 12 2007, 12:49pm
Good for you CindySue!!
CindySue54
Aug 13 2007, 6:55pm
Nice, quiet day in work today...it was nice after the horrendous week last week!!
Sticking to plan and feeling good. Trying a new chicken recipe tonight....I'll post it later if it's any good!!
Hope everyone is having a great day!!
Jimmy Moore
Aug 13 2007, 7:40pm
Quiet is good after a tumultuous week! WOO HOO!!!
CindySue....that's SO AWESOME* YAY for you...what an accomplishment!!
I've been looking around and reading books...smiles* I've lost all my weight so far on DANDR, but my body is telling me it's time to shake things up a bit. I tried Groves' plan for a couple of weeks..I did lose weight, but the timing was such that I am not sure if it was the woe or just the way I lose: 3rd week out of the month, I tend to lose 4-5 pounds, then that's it...blah!
Yesterday, after reading a few of Charles' posts, I 'heard' what he was saying,,,Protein is NOT the enemy! Soooo what did I do? *smacks forehead* I totally overate protein yesterday, because I had been restricting it. But, I felt soooo satisfied with my meals:) I didn't cheat..just ate ALOTTTTT!
Would you mind posting a menu or 2 with amounts for me, please? I feel so good about PP, and the book was so good!
Thank you in advance!
Jah Frog
Sep 24 2007, 2:38pm
Its really tough to overeat protein. (Charles hs said this in a few of his posts too). You fill up and your body simply "protests" when you eat too much (like you've stuffed yourself to the gills, could not eat another bit, some folks get nauseated at this point).
PP sets a minimum requirement but not a maximum. It may take while to get it into your head that you can eat protein until you are fulll. Carbs you need to keep an eye on - if you are no sure about portions and how many carbs are in various things then I would certainly check that until you can eye a good portion based on your desired carb intake.
Charles has said in posts that he does not measure protien.
I don't either. I have a similar strategy - eat my meat/protein first, maybe have a bite or two of my veggies, keep eating the meat. If I finish up, and am still hungry I go for more meat/protein. I make sure I get enough veggie carbs to make my meals interesting (I like veggies), but its not the focus of my meal.
For me the tough part is the "head hunger" and the cultural habits that we have all picked up: ie you need something sweet after a meal. No you don't "need" anything else - if you are still hungry likely you are not eating enough at your meal. Or, I need something crunchy while I watch a movie. Well, no you don't "need" it - you want it. LOL.
I'm not saying that I never go for a handful of nuts while I'm watching a movie, or that I don't eat dessert (heck- look at my avatar) but the idea that you have to limit your protein, so you can have more carbs goes pretty much against the whole PP philosophy.
Hiya Jah Frog! Thank you for your reply*
OK...*knocks on my hard head* no more thoughts of overeating protein:) I'm just concerned about excess protein knocking me out of ketosis..but ketosis is not the issue with PP is it?
Jah Frog
Sep 24 2007, 4:20pm
| QUOTE (Bows @ Sep 24 2007, 04:07 PM) |
Hiya Jah Frog! Thank you for your reply*
OK...*knocks on my hard head* no more thoughts of overeating protein:) I'm just concerned about excess protein knocking me out of ketosis..but ketosis is not the issue with PP is it? |
From the reading I've done lately, you would have to eat non stop protein all day for it to throw you out of ketosis. Charles does a great explaination of the issues invloved and I will try to track that down for you. The Eades have something on thier blog and in the PP books as well.
Even when I'm stuffing myself, I'm getting at the most 150-80 grams of protien. Most days it looks more like 100-120. About 100, or more depending on the person, of that gets used up just repairing and replacing your cells on a daily basis. Top that off with the fact that protien processing in the body is very inefficient (it takes a while, uses up energy in the processing through your body, there is some waste, yada yada), off go a bunch more grams doing that...
Its true that you can "over eat" doing any plan. I'd doubt you can do it with protein - or even fat because you get filled up so fast that you have no desire to eat more. Usually its the added carbs that get ya.
Ok. As far as ketosis. I reccomend you get over that one too (said with humor and kindness)
If you are measuring ketosis with strips 1) they are incredibly inaccurate 2) the more dehydrated you are the more ketones in your urine 3) alcohol gives you a false positive 4) Much of the ketones produced are not excreted in the urine and don't show up 5) after you have been "fat burning" for a while your body is producing the amount of ketones you need and and not excreting any excess.
More ketosis does not nessearily equal darker strips nor does it equal more fat burned and more weight lost.
In the 6 months I did Atkins 4 years ago I never showed more than pink and I lost 30 pounds. I thought i was doing it wrong until soneone told me to get rid of the srtips and just follow my plan as written.
I thought about things all afternoon, and am feeling unsure...the big difference I see between Atkins and PP is the amount of carbs you are 'allowed' at the beginning, and this is a non-issue for me......it really is:) Is that thinking correct?
I really appreciate your advise and guidance, btw! Thank you sooo so much for answering my questions!
I guess the bottom line for me is that, following Dr. Groves' plan just seemed too restrictive to me, mainly in the area of protein..I gotta have my meat!
I am just so impressed with PP, the book..TONS of info in there* The book will be the reason (for me) that I will continue to call my plan Protein Power, if that is what I decide:)
Jah Frog
Sep 24 2007, 7:46pm
Deb, I think you've got the main difference. PP has no "induction". You start and stay at "intervention" levels until you reach your health or weight goal.
At some point you might want to check out the Eades' blogs. Dr Mike has been posting during the last year about some of the ways they actually eat, about thier foray into intermittent fasting and about what they do to lose a few pounds when they have been off plan. (to me its great to see your plan developer as human like the rest of us). To me, I saw in PP a flexibility that suited the kind of life I lead when I'm not aways going to eat "perfectly" (whatever that is) and one where I could try to be as good as possible or even one where I could eat some taboo items on occasion without feeling like I had messed things up.
Also, the Atkins carb ladder got very confusing and difficult for me, even though that's where I started out and what I did for quite a while. One thing I think Atkins is great for is that you add certain types of carbs in gradually over time. It lets you see if there are certain foods you have problems with, like dairy, or nuts, or fruits, or even whole grains. PP seems a bit more like a guessing game in that respect, but it does point out that these foods can be eliminated and that your plan can be modified to suut your unique needs. I feel like PP encouraged me to keep evaluating what I was doing what was working and what was not working and make the adjustments that make sense.
Plus I love reading the science behind the plan.
CindySue54
Sep 24 2007, 9:14pm
Bows...I can eat a lot too!! One of the great things about low carb!
I do continue to measure, but mostly just for my own information....and for recording. If I eat something like steak or hamburger I usually have at least 6-8 ounces, many times 10 or more. Fish, on the other hand, I can only eat 3-4 ounces!!
I also agree on the ketosis. The strips are very inaccurate and if you're loosing weight that's the best indicator!
Definitely check out the blogs by the Eades. I love the style of writing of Dr Mike and MD has some great recipes! The blogs on their trip to Italy are fantastic....just make sure you've eaten! (or have a steak all ready to cook! )
I also mainly eat my protein first. I do have veggies most meals, but sometimes have just the meat!
Most days I have a protein shake for breakfast (around 7:30A). A ready to drink shake (EAS) with some liquid egg whites and some cream. I have this because I can drink it on my way to work without a mess.
Lunch varies, but most days I eat out. We go to the Mexican place (taco salad, no beans or tortilla), a Mediterranean place (Caesar salad with grilled chicken or steak tips), one of the hamburger joints (no bun, usually with salad) or a stir fry place (meat and lots of veggies, no rice). Occasionally I'll bring leftovers, but I am not very good at that....I often forget my lunch, or just don't bother.
Dinner is almost always meat/fish/poultry with 1-2 veggies. I usually have at least 1 hot veggie. Tonight it was roasted pork loin (leftovers) with Brussels sprouts and home-made applesauce. (yesterday's dinner was the same, except I also had cucumbers with dressing)
I looked at my fitdays from months ago, when I was losing the most/month, and guess what? DOH! I was really eating! WHY didn't I make the connection before??! I prefer to input into fitday every few days, to keep it all 'in check', but enjoy the WOE most, just eating my meat,,,and veggies for carbs, and knowing in my head I'm doing things correctly* Most days I wasn't going above 100 g of protein or 20 net carbs, just naturally. I really like the way the Eades' teach the science..even *I* get it! hehe* I think I'm most comfy back 'in the saddle again' and eating my protein with wreckless abandon..grins* I have been doing this woe for 3 days and peeked at the scale,,,,TOM is due any day, so that wasn't very smart! Up 2 from my siggy,,,but I'm confident it'll come off in a couple weeks, then I'll have my 'losing week':) Thank you Frog and CindySue for your help and encouragement!
CindySue54
Sep 26 2007, 6:45pm
| QUOTE (Bows @ Sep 26 2007, 07:33 AM) |
| I was really eating! |
Deb, I actually do better when I eat more. Now I have had to cut back as I loose, but if I go too low I will stall. I find I'm best with between 1600 and 2000 a day...but back when I started my lows were over 1800 and I'd go 2200-2300 on some days.
I'm 5'8" and a decent size frame, so I'm sure I'm lucky in that I use a lot more calories on average just living. But mainly, yea....as long as I stick to my meat and veggies with a little dairy I'm fine!
Cindy Sue: Protein Power is still new to me. I'm a low-carb plan cycler. Began with Kimkins but after a few months, I began to tweak...starting first with an Atkins day. Long story, but now I'm doing Protein Power. By keeping menu and activity journals, I eventually began to recognize my own metabolic patterns.
I also discovered that, even when on Atkins, I did better when I didn't worry about the fats, but pulled back a bit on the proteins and kept carbs at 20-30.
Imagine my surprise to discover that Protein Power aptly described what I had found worked so well for me!
So here I am, now officially on the Protein Power plan!
I also appreciate the plan is very open about the need for nutritional supplements. So I was very glad I followed Dr. Atkins' advice and took my extra omega's, L-carnitine, etc., etc. right from the time I first started a low-fat, low-carb diet.
I plan to keep Stillman's as an emergency reserve for those times I hit long-term, bona fide stalls. Other than that, it's either Protein Power or a few Atkins days for me!!!
KUTGW!
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