Okay, I took the liberty. Didn't want to go "over" the limit and we were close...

NOTE: Simon, when you get back from your vacation (scoffs with jealousy), be sure to catch up on the other thread--lots of good, stimulating discussion.

end of that thread here: http://www.lowcarbdiscussion.com/index.php...=285#entry38285

And on with the show....

So what is the absolute lowest limit? To be healthy in calories and still lose? Cuz I might be faced with sharing a meal around Thanksgiving with someone I haven't seen in 15 plus years, and that thought is absolutely terrifying and motivating! LOL

Hmmm...maybe I'll start at 1200 and see where that gets me...

Not an old boyfriend LOL--a childhood friend--his mom and my mom knew each other in college, so we grew up hanging out...until we got a bit older. He's a song writer and musician--was in LA and is now in Nashville...we are same age and have completely different lifestyles...one can't help being intimidated a bit. Here's his website:
http://www.blakedavis.com/

Hi Kim,

I checked out his bio - very impressive. I see why you might want to look your best.

My Dr told me 1000-1200 was best altho I could do 800-1000 calories but not for too long at a time.

Hey Kim,
.
First of all thanks for doing the housekeeping for me. I went ahead and close the old thread.

And second of all OOOh! you lucky girl. He is cute and can sing. I checked out your link. I hope you have a really nice Thanksgiving you deserve a break and some happiness. Hey, you never know, stranger things have happened. But, whatever, just enjoy the day for what it is.

As far as the diet goes, I'm telling you the way to lose weight is to eat a lot of fat. No joking. It has been the only thing that has worked for me and you almost never get hungry as long as the carbs are in check and you don't have PMS. I am such a hard loser and I ripped a size off in less than 3 weeks that way. Give it a whirl, I don't think you'll be sorry. Go check out the pinned topics on Groves for more details.

I will definitely do that! It is hard hard hard to get rid of the KK way of thinking. Makes me mad to think that's how I got started in the LC world, so now I have to relearn stuff...but I will. FAT is my FRIEND I do know that.

I have about decided (that's what, one step away from totally decided) to go on that cruise. I can if I want, and by goodness I will! So, anyone else want to go? I need a roomie! I've never been on a cruise and never been out of the country. Galveston is a hop, skip, and a jump from here---so airfare for me would be cheap to get there...I am SO GOING. I am. a tan in February? Who can pass that up. Might just have to get a bikini, too....

ohhhhhhhhh Blake isn't bad at all

I am going to try that fat method....seems like I am still in a little rut I have to get my body and mind motivated again............I am going to try that.

I am just here for a bit and then heading to the gym. Hubby has to work late all week so I am heading out before I have to pick him up.

Mmmm...Blake is yummy!

Just a quick check in. Feeling a bit better, I "think" (and my fingers are crossed) that I'm in the uphill swing. My DH was throwing up this morning. We ate the same food, so I doubt it's the food. I'm keeping my hands washed, I DON'T need that on top of this other thing. Back to work....it's our busy night of the week (even my daughter is working right now).

Hey Everybody,

Just popped in to say "Hi". Things have been quiet lately. Not much to report. BBL

Yvonne, I'm glad you are feeling better!

Kim, Blake is a cutie! You go girl. And I think it's absolutely wonderful that you are going on the cruise. I've never been on one either and I've never been out of the country. You will have such a great time! I'm very envious.

Regarding the diet, I guess I'm kinda doing the Groves thing because my fat grams are twice as high as my protein! And my carbs are right at 20. I have his book so I need to go back and read it again. It was the first book I read after I left kk.

My board meeting was canceled tonight, which was fine with me. I can watch Dancing With The Stars. I think Jane Seymour is going to get kicked off tonight.

Ginger, I do too, and I hate it because she is such an elegant dancer. The jive just wasn't her best dance. The spice girl strikes me as kind of a b!$ch but she is a good dancer. Who do you think is going to win? The soap star is pretty "hunky" so he ain't bad. LOL.

I'm waiting for the show too.
I like Jane but her dancing isn't as good as the rest so i think she is going too.

I just got back from the gym and just having a break before I head to the shower.
Not much else is new.

So what kind of stuff is everyone doing to get the fat in their diet? Just curious.

after reading:
I need flax seed oil
and coconut oil.
I am going to try this-after being on low carb for over a year I still have a hard time getting past the fat thing.

OK off to the shower and Dancing with the Stars and then bed.........talk to you all later.

I am shocked!!!!!! I can't believe she got kicked off!!!!


ETA I really like Helio Castroneves. Of course I'm from Indy and he's a race car driver so he's on tv alot during the month of May.

Ginger, I can't believe Jane got kicked either. So you are from Indy. I was there once for a convention. It is a nice town. Just too cold for this Southern girl. I think I would be living in the bathtub all winter long.

Wanda, I eat the fattiest cuts of meat I can find, nothing leaner then ground chuck for hamburger, Bacon, liverwurst, cream cheese, that kind of stuff. Not much chicken breast unless it's stuffed with cheese. Today I had lunch at Chili's. I had their blue cheese peppercorn burger, and got rid of the bun, then instead of french fries I had steamed brocolli and I ordered drawn butter to dip it in. It was really good and plenty of fat. Since I had lunch late I just had a small bowl of Carbsmart Ice Cream with 2 Russell Stover's Peppermint Patties mixed with coconut oil melted. Adding coconut oil and melting turns it into a magic shell like stuff that turns hard on the ice cream. It was really good. So If I have a heavy lunch then dinner is really light and if I work out that day dinner can be a little heavier and I'm also a little more hungry. I also eat chicken thighs with the skin on, pork roast (not loin roast), pot roast, and fill it out with some green veggies everyday and about 2 or 3 times a week I have Dreamfields Pasta, but not a large serving.

I come back to food porn and it is actually things we can eat! YUM! All of that sounds really good!

Okay--3 pumpkins done, 1 to go. My 2yo who didn't get his nap while at his grandpa's crashed on the way home from the pizza party, so he's been asleep since 8 p.m....and I was NOT going to wake him! I made the mistake of playing a couple of Halloween songs for the kiddos--the "Nightmare on My Street" by the "Fresh Prince" himself, Wil Smith, freaked him out! LOL I just told him it was all a joke. HA HA. I am going to post a little tribute post later in honor of all things scary and Halloween. I forgot how much I love scary movies and Halloween!

Yikes! I am going to try to go on the cruise. IF I can find a roomate....any takers??? Melodie???? The price is so good--and Jimmy and his wife are going--will be a great "me" vacation! Here's what I think of when I think of going:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCl5gs7GFWY

Its out with the old and in with the new,
Goodbye clouds of grey, hello skies of blue
A dip in the pool, a trip to the spa
Endless days in my chaise
The whole world according to moi


Course, she's a bit of a beeyotch...but that's what I want: FABULOUS! LOL

Oh Kim please doooo come!!! Melodie you too! I will be there and I would love to see you guys!!

Alrighty kiddos! It is time for some Halloween fun!

For your viewing pleasure:

Thriller

Nightmare on My Street

Time Warp

Monster Mash

Oh here's a great one for us 80s people:

Somebody's Watching Me

Okay, we can't forget movie clips. Here's a site with a top ten: You know what? Never Mind. YIKES.

Okay but here's a Nightmare Tribute I will post b/c it has a really young, boyish andHOT Johnny Depp! Plus it's Freddy. How corny can you get?

Nightmare on Elm Street Montage



I will add more if I find them. Any suggestions???

Okay, here's a few more:

SNL Jack Handy

Halloween Caroling

Last Minute Costume ideas...

If I find more, I will, of course, post!

Hey Everybody,

I would love to come but I have let my passport expire and I understand it is taking weeks and weeks to get one. The other thing is sometimes it is hard for me to get away in the Spring because that is when the building business really cranks up.

There's one more issue for me too. Those places a floating food palaces where food of every variety is available 24/7.

But I may start working on the passport issue. We'll see. Other than that I would really love to meet everyone, I think we would have a great time. Does anyone know how many are going?

Oh and Happy Halloween. I will be wearing my conquest pants all day today!

Does that mean it's impossible to get a passport before February 23rd? I don't have mine yet either...



Think there's about 50 people going so far...

Happy Halloween!

Go Melodie! I will be wearing Kim Possible stuff all day. No one will know who I am, though... LOL

Go ahead and try to get it guys... I thought mine was going to take months and it only took actually a few weeks.... so go ahead and try!!!

I'm on it! Now for a roomate...

Did I say how much I LOVE Halloween??? I LOVE HALLOWEEN!

Today is my youngest son's birthday. He was a Halloween baby. He's not a baby anymore, he's 25.

Hey Everyone,

Just checking in. I have got to run out to Commerce and look at a job. I'm waving to you Renee.

Hope everyone had a great day, BBL.

For Yvonne:

Hey everyone, Happy Halloween!! Kim I hope you got all of your pumpkins carved. If you haven't ever tried one you have got to get a battery operated pumpkin carver. It ROCKS! My pumpkin has never looked so good.

OK for you Halloween freaks here is a picture of me today with my good friend Janet.


Also for a little cuteness, Everybody say "Awwwww" Here is Daisy's newest picture.



Have a fun evening!

Renee, you look so good in that picture and "the baby" is so cute.

well went out to Commerce and checked out the job then went to Applebees for dinner. Then went home because we never have any trick or treaters so I buy candy every year and end up eating it myself. This year I didn't buy any so of course there were tricker treaters. I had to beat it out of Dodge (I know that sounds terrible) and met my girlfriend up at the local Mexican joint. So while I was good for dinner, I had not 1 but 2 shots of tequila so I'm lucky I can still type LOL. I only meant to have one and then the bartender decided to buy me one too, so I couldn't refuse. What do you think, is tequila on my list of approved food and drink. Not!!!

So I'm home and I hope everyone had a great Halloween.

Renee, you look very cute . . . . and Janet looks like the "good" witch! Daisy is adorable!

Melodie, if tequila is on your list of approved food and drink I want to do your plan!

Kim, a couple of friends who are going with us on our cruise in December just got their passports and it didn't take them very long. You can also expedite it for more $$$. I would suggest that you apply right away. I am considering the Feb cruise if I can talk DH into it. Or maybe I'll go without him!

Renee, you look great in your costume. Daisy is absolutely adorable!!! What kind of dog is she?

HELLLLOOOO! I wish I'd had two shots of tequila! LOL I passed on a glass of wine--though I wanted it! I did have a few corn muffins with soup and a small slice of pumpkin pie. That was my off plan cheat. No candy for this chickadee--I got myself a stash of RS sugar free mints and sugar free Werther's to satisfy any cravings that come my way....I planned for tonight, and now it's back to business!

I am trying to get my mom to send me the pics she took, but from what I saw, I hated them... So, a pic? We'll see. I may wait until I get my hair done, which will be soon b/c I am going to get my pic made for business cards...LOL. Always an excuse, I know...LOL

Halloween was great! Lots of loot hauled in by the kiddos...EH tried to suck me into an argument... Then tells me it is me turning it into something...*puts up hand* talk to the hand...it is Halloween...night for the kids??? Remember???*scoff*

There were a few scary moments at some awesomely decorated houses--mainly scary for my 2yo. Cackling pumpkins, etc. Pretty funny...I'm sadistic, I know--he wasn't too traumatized, though, or it wouldn't have been so funny...

Next year...that'll be our house!!!! I LOVE HALLOWEEN! Have I said that today???

Renee--GREAT COSTUME! So cute! Thanks for sharing the pic! and the dog is sooooooooo adorable! How big will she get?

Altho we don't have any kids at home (and no grandkids yet ) we do have many great nieces and nephews so I bought some candy for them. I also bought some RS sugar free mints in case I was tempted (and I was! )

Instead of buying the candy I don't like I bought little candy bars. But I gave them all to my DGF because he is a chocoholic!

My kids got all sorts of good candy. I am not even going to look... I give it a week and a half, then it is going in the trash... BLECH!

My new avi is going to be the tattoo I get on the back of my neck soon. Not sure when, but soon. I'm a Gemini--I got it from someone at KK, who posted it and I liked it...

Good Morning Friends! Well, my cheat cost me 3.5 lbs. on the scale. Back to it today though!!!

Really? No one has posted? chirp chirp chirp.....

Hey Kim,

Chirp, chirp, back to you. I have been cleaning this morning and I still have a long way to go, not to mention I have to go out this afternoon and lay out some kitchens in some new houses we are building. I like that a whole lot more than cleaning.

Everything seems to be so quiet everywhere right now. It's quiet around town, it's quiet on line, just spooky quiet.

Maybe a holdover from Halloween. LOL. I will try to check back later.

I wanted to write about what happened to my daughter at a local "Haunted House". It was REALLY bad!

Ok, this is the weirdest thing. My 15 y/o daughter had been begging to go to this Haunted House, called Fear Fair. Fear Fair It's pretty big for our area, in an old industrial park building. They have all the major players from the scary movies, of which I've never seen.

We tried to go last year with a friend but my daughter chickend out at the last minute. I've never liked these types of things and as a young girl I NEVER went. I really think, some people just don't like these types of things.

Well, some friends of ours, assured my daughter that the one of them will be so scared that he'd cry and scream "like a girl" and we'll be so caught up in his antics that we'd just laugh at it all.

What in the world got into our heads. We drove up and no one was standing in line (normally there's a line about 30 or more people deep) and they only let in 5 at a time. A group of girls and one guy had just come out and at the end a guy comes out with a chain saw sort of "chasing" people out. Well our two friends got out of the backseat of the car and hadn't closed the doors because all these "scary" people came out of the "house" and they were laughing etc. Well, it started with a creepy guy tapping on my daughter's window (she was in the front seat passenger side). She just FREAKED OUT. Then a werewolf guy came in the backseat on her side and was breathing heavy in her ear and another scary Indian guy climbed in on my side and was tormenting her. All this happened as I was getting out of the driver's side. Meanwhile here comes the chainsaw guy, she jumps acrossed the stickshift and out my door and starts screaming and running. I mean terror screaming, not just "OMG, this is fun scary screaming". Now I can't run that fast and she's starts to head over to me and she is sobbing, all the while this guy is chasing her. My daughter grabs a total stranger trying to get away from the "monsters" and our friends hugs her and she finally gets in the car and is in a panic attack. I'm trying to get the doors shut so I can drive away for her and they are surrounding the car, tapping on the windows. I start to back up and they move and I get out of there, meanwhile her face is buried in my shoulder. I told our friends to go ahead in the house and we'll wait for them. I pull down the street but where I can see the exit door and those creeps start to come after us. She starts crying again, so I pull away and assure her, I have a car and can drive faster than they can run.

Anyways, she says the guy with the chainsaw was touching her back, I thought they weren't supposed to touch you. We hadn't paid yet, so what if we weren't going in, but just bringing our friends and waiting for them? Ya know? I mean, how much should someone keep trying to scare you? When is enough enough? I'm sure several of them had no idea how scared she really was, but geez.

She actually slept on our bed that night. She had to go to school and got VERY little sleep that night and I sort of feel like a bad mother for taking her, for not chasing after those guys (my husband said he would have said "OK, that's enough guys", although this was NEVER my idea and I got her away as soon as I could.

What do you think? All in good fun or over the top? BTW - we are planning a trip next October to Walt Disney World and a night at Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween Party and I had to ASSURE her that Disney's Party was NOT scary like that.

Personally, I think that's AWFUL!! I love to be scared to death, but some people don't and to take it to an extreme is irresponsible, IMO. Some people get off on that, and since they are "masked" there is no responsibility. That's terrible--did this happen this year? Their site looks scary...Yikes. Did you complain?

Yes, it happened this Sunday night. My daughter posted about it on her MySpace and her friend knows the guy who runs it and showed it to him and he said that he never wants it to be terrifying, just a fun scared and he was sorry it was a bad experience for her.

I seriously thought of writing the editor of the paper and telling him what happened. I really feel they crossed the line by getting in our car. She hadn't even totally decided to go in and we were NOT on their property. We were acrossed the street in a parking lot of a warehouse.

No mas, no mas!

I'm through with the dietary instructions I was given for PT days. Eating grains makes me feel like poo. I'm bloated and foggy and depressive and anxious and I'm not doing it anymore. Didn't even make it to my 173.8 "screw this" threshold.

Nikki's gonna do this Nikki's way now.

Hi everyone,
Just checking in for a sec on my way to the gym.......

Renee, thanks for sharing those pictures, How cute.

Yvonne-you need to get hold of the owner of the haunted house and put a complaint in yourself.......if you haven't done it already.
That way he can warn them next year what he will tolerate.........they have no right invading your space.

I just got back from the health store and came out with coconut oil, flax seed oil, green tea pills and some other ones that is supposed to get rid of the tire tube......I say it's baby fat even though my baby is 14! But they swear by this so I am checking it out.

Well I took in a crap load of candy to work the other day and I was so proud....didn't eat any of it even those there were a whole lot of guys milling around with suckers in their mouths. Kinda funny since they are all in uniform

this week has been really good food wise-am starting to feel a whole lot better.
I am going to stick to the basics for a while until I get control back which is coming.

Speaking of control, I need to get out of this house and get my butt to the gym.

Talk to everyone later.............

I think you should complain directly to the owner, too. His employees crossed the line, big time.

Hi Everyone,

Wanda, as always hope you have a good workout. Sounds like you got some healthy things. I have a rather unhealthy thing I do with coconut oil and it's actually Jimmy's recipe. He uses regular chocolate bars but I use SF Peppermint Patties. I melt peppermint patties with about 2 tsp. of coconut oil in the microwave and stir it up really good. Then I pour it over Carbsmart Vanila Ice Cream and it makes a hard shell. It is so good that I think I'm going to have some tonight.

I had a really disgusting breakfast, at least most people would think so. I made some sf coleslaw, put a hotdog on that then some Cincinnatti Chili on that and onions and mustard. It was really good. For dinner I had TGIF's Bistro Steak Salad which has become one of my favorites. So I guess maybe I can afford the ice cream tonight.

Today we were laying out kitchens in some of our houses so that is always fun and it was a really beautiful Fall day.

Yvonne, I can't imagine that it would ever be O.K. to go and get in someone's car at a place like that. Sounds like those boys just used some bad judgement to me.

Kim, I hope you are having a good day today. I guess you will be getting the little ones to bed pretty soon, and then you get to have some "you" time.

I still haven't gone out and bought a pair of size 8 somethings. I really need to do that tomorrow. I just am not feeling that confident since it's only 3 weeks until Thanksgiving. But I'm going to give it my best shot.

Where is everyone? We need to start chatting it up. We are getting boring and that's a sin for a bunch of "freaky" forum addicts like ourselves. Hope to hear from everyone.

I just want to say I fit in a size 2 - ahahahaha Ok, it's a Size 2 at Lane Bryant! LOL

But then, these particular jeans go from a size 1 to a size 8. So that's not terrible.

I got to tell a young lady all about low-carbing. She's being tested for PCOS/IR (she's still a teenager) and I told her how well my daughter has done with the Glucophage/low-carb connection. I hope it helped her. It sure seemed to bring her some hope!

Congrats Yvonne,

Keep up the good work. How's the cooking situation at home going for you? Are things getting easier?