I've decided to go back to Atkins. I dug out my DANDR book, I have the 2002 updated version and I started to read it again. So far so good. I think. I'm ending day 2 on induction, it would have been since last Sunday but I cheated (1st time since June) with some Cherry Garcia after discovering that my hair has started to fall out. Anyway, I feel fine now and I've lost the few pounds I gained plus one more (total of 6). I know I can do this. I just don't want to start off badly and "train" myself the wrong way.

I'm not worried about my calories, except to keep them at 1200 or higher. I'm only really counting carbs but I'm wondering if I might be having too much protein? From what I've been reading, that's the impression I get. Maybe I'm starting to overthink things.

My FitDay link is in my signature, if someone more knowledgeable than I could take a look, I'd greatly appreciate it. Except for a few glaring non-Atkins foods, the week since Sunday has been induction (I'm on day 2 thanks to some almonds earlier). Oh, and yesterday I had 2 cups of salad - my book says 2 - 3 cups and it was only 2 carbs - pure lettuce. I also had 1/2 cup broccoli and that was 2 carbs. How do you get the carbs so high (over 10 and net at that) on veggies when there is a limit to what you're supposed to have on induction?

You don't need to worry about protein at this point. And you may never have to worry about it.

Count your carbs.

You should be eating around 10-12 times your current body weight in calories, and anyone on Atkins should be getting at least 1500 calories, even 1800.

The "cups" is outdated... you need to "count your carbs" regardless of the cups of vegetables you're eating. Really. I'm not making this up!

Salad should be more than just lettuce... the lettuce is just what holds all the other stuff in the bowl.

You need 12-15 net carbs from vegetables on Induction... so... eat your Induction vegetables!

As to your Fitday...

Did you read the list of ingredients on the rotisserie chicken? Most are "plumped" with a sugar solution, and some even have flour on the skin. It might not be a deal breaker for you, but just be aware of what you're eating. Don't assume that store bought meat is "just meat".

No nuts on Induction.

Not enough vegetables.

I would limit the diet soda to one per day... and try to get rid of it altogether... it's not going to help you!

I only read the last 4 days... let me know if you want me to go back further.

You might try some biotin for the hair issue.

suellen

Thanks Suellen,

No need to go back farther. I'm going to have the hardest time with the veggies. So we don't measure the veggies at all? Or if we do how do we to get the carb counts? Unfortunately, I don't like a lot of them. My mom tried and my dad came right behind her saying "Yuck, you're not going to eat that are you?" when I was little. Seriously. My brother and I would only eat corn, green beans, lettuce, cucumbers, carrots, tomatoes, and nope that's it. Pretty sad, I know. I see a few on the induction list I like. Thankfully broccoli is one of them! Love the broccoli!! I didn't like it at all though until I was 28. I haven't even heard of some of those veggies. I guess that it's time to experiment. Thanks again.

You'll have to measure them somehow (cups or weight) in order to know how many carbs (net) yu're getting.

You don't have to limit yourself to 2 cups of salad vegetables and 1 cup of other vegetables.

You could even <gasp> have all from the "other vegetables" if that's how it works out for you that day.

There's 54 vegetables on the Induction list...

And... as your taste buds get "detoxed"... you might find you like new vegetables!

Work with what you like... get the 12-15 net carbs... then work on adding more.

Baby steps... baby steps...

OK, I get it, at least right now. LOL I'll be askin' again if I need more help.

~Thanks again~

We'll be here...

I love answering questions!

You're more than welcome!!!!

Forgive me for jumping in here, so we do NOT need to measure our veggies? And..Kaly I love the picture!

Yes, that helps!

valerieslivingbooks Now I want some tomatoes. LOL That just sounds yummo! I also like a nice tomato and cheese sandwich - it doesn't even need any condiments other that a dash of salt & pepper. Maybe I'll make some egg bread tonight and have one.

knoxvegas Thanks, I can't remember where I got that avatar but it was from one of those sites that has nothing but avatars. One of these days I'll learn how to put a before & progress pic here.

Congrats on hitting 40 pounds, you must be happy!! I can't even put a picture on my profile, let alone before and after pics!!

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This was posted: " I would limit the diet soda to one per day... and try to get rid of it altogether... it's not going to help you!"


questions please: WHY do we have to ONLY have one diet soda a day? Why should we try to eliminate diet soda all together? what are we supposed to drink besides water... (mumbles to herself.. just take all the joy out of life.. shoot! ) sorry for whinning... I just love my diet soda is all.

I love my diet soda with no calories, no carbs, no nothing.. sighs.

Diet Dr. Thunder (from wal-mart tastes like Diet Dr. Pepper but costs less)

Calories: 0
Fat: 0
Carbs: 0
Sugars: 0
Protein: 0

Ingredients: Carbonated water, caramel color, natural and articificial flavor, Aspartame, etc..............

awaiting your detailed reply so I can absorb it

fawn

That you love it... that's the problem! <smile>

You can have the diet soda IF you've had all your water. Diet soda will not help you... water will.

Caramel color is sugar, by the way. The ingredients in the soda aren't "nothing"... water is "nothing"!

There's a limit of 3 servings of any artificial sweetener per day on Atkins, too.

Read this:

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_6449067

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I have another question please... and IF I ask too many questions please let me know and ya know I can like be quiet

Currently I am studying the Atkins website on Induction and acceptable foods.

My confusion is this: It states the following:

"You should eat 12-15 net carbs a day of vegetables"

On Atkins we are allowed 20 carbs per day.....

and EGGS have carbs....

so how can we have Unlimited amounts of eggs?

These are the foods you may eat liberally during Induction: All eggs

To summarize my question....

How can I eat 12 to 15 net carbs a day of vegetables per day and lets say only have 6 carbs left over for eggs per day... and yet they say I can eat eggs liberally.... so thats confusing.

(okay just to let you know.. I havent gotten to the reading the part of the difference between regular carbs and net carbs yet.... but I had this question so I wanted to ask you before I forgot to ask you.... lawrd I hope that makes sense. lol)

thanks, fawn

How many eggs did you want to eat? How are you defining "unlimited"? Unlimited to me means I don't have to make sure I only have 2 eggs a week.

6 eggs would be 3.6 net carbs if you're using the Atkins carb counter that has a large egg at .6 net carbs or if you use the USDA counter, a large egg is 0.24 net carbs.

With Atkins, you should count the carbs of everything you eat. It's quite possible to get 12-15 net carbs from vegetables and still eat 6 eggs.

"Liberal" ... you don't have to limit the number you're eating/using in a day... you can have them for breakfast, a snack, and even cook with 'em.

You're allowed 20 NET carbs a day on Induction.

And... depending on your weight, 66 ounces of water might not be enough for you... you might want to aim for 1/2 your current weight in ounces of water.

suellen

Net carbs is total carbs minus fiber and minus sugar alcohols (though it you stick with whole unprocessed foods, you won't have to worry about sugar alcohols).

Dear Suellen,

It was MOST kind of you to take out the time to explain things to me about my Atkins questions and I am very grateful for you explain things in a way that is simple to understand. ((((((( huggies )))))))))))

I love salads and I am currently decreasing the list of allowable foods and leaving the foods on the list that I will "actually eat" lol. (this way it shorts the list and doesnt look overwhelming to me and takes up unnecessary space).

I am glad and I am sure a lot of people are glad that you are here for us to answer questions/concerns for us about Atkins. You are the BOMB girlfriend! smiles.

Thank you again,
sincerely fawn

In regard to thinking about drinking HALF my weight in water... WOW!

I currently weigh 256.5 and that would be.. about 128 ounces of water per day... lawrd ... tryin' to drown a sista, dang! giggling. thats a LOT of water seriously.

This is what I studied about water:

Some people who are overweight are de-hydrated and don't even know it.

Water helps hydrate the body
Water helps eliminate waste
Water helps the metabolism for a "lack" of sufficient water will result in a slow or decrease metabolism

To think of consuming 128 ounces of water a day.. WOW... I will definitely have to cut BACK on my consumption of diet soda to ONE can per day.

Of course I take my multivitamin daily and BP meds.

My biggest challenge.... encooperating exercise .. which is no excuse for me, because I have a lot of exercise machines and DVDs at home... I am just lazy... no sense in lying about it... just be honest. I also know that exercise firms up the body, helps strengthen the heart, helps bring oxygen to the lungs and cells and helps build muscle which also burns calories around the clock over time. Just geting over the sedentary lifestyle will be a major step.

But for right now... this is day ONE of induction
baby steps... taking baby steps and thanks to YOU, I am understanding the rules of Atkins as a way of life.. in simple forms.

I like Atkins because it is very similar to KK which I was doing prior and lost 41 lbs on.

So my goal for today.
ONE can of diet soda
Do TEN minutes of physical exericse today to start the journey
Copy and paste information I learned here to my diary on this website so I can remember it later on, [IMG] smiles
and work at consuming 128 ounces of water per day ... more likely 99 ounces of water and work my way UP to 128 over a course of time,http://www.lowcarbdiscussion.com/emoticons_new/ermm.gif[/IMG] smiles.

Again thank you kindly again for I am very grateful

fawn

>>To think of consuming 128 ounces of water a day.. WOW... I will definitely have to cut BACK on my consumption of diet soda to ONE can per day.>>

You should certainly only be drinking one can per day!

Your tooth enamel, for one, will thank you!

Yes... increasing your water slowly is a good idea... that way your body will get used to it... and WANT it... and it will help you get past drinking soda, too!

For what it's worth... I haven't had soda since 1977.

If it's the carbonation that you like... try plain seltzer water... it's not "pure water" for the purposes of Atkins, but it's no where near as icky as soda... it's just carbonated water.

You're right... it is baby steps... and if you put enough of them together... you'll be successful with your goals!

suellen

hi everyone

Another question please:

The room title is: K/E to Atkins with ??

what does K/E mean please?

Thank you,

fawn

Fawn,

Nice to meet you as well. I tend to jump right in and start talking! I read enough posts that I feel as if I already know most everyone already!

A gallon is 128 ounces.

I know you can do this, Fawn. The thing about Livin' La Vida Low Carb's forum is: Jimmy is a REAL person who has REALLY lost weight doing low carb. And he is helping everyone from the goodness of his heart (altho I would understand if he charged to help with site upkeep, etc).

I'm glad you are here . . . . . we will all lose weight together! The healthy way!

Robin

Hi Robin,

and I am grateful you are the type of person who just jumps right in and starts talkin'.. yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! smiles.

You shared: A gallon is 128 ounces.

yahoooooooooooooooooo!!!!
Thank you soooooo much for teaching me that... so its like okay... I can keep filling up my empty plastic bottles (33.8 oz each) until the GALLON of water is empty each day.. WOW....that is awesome!!!!

do you SEE how the visual of learning stuff and relating stuff to the visual SIMPLIFIES things... that is the BOMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

why do I seem so excited?
Because honestly its FUN to learn and encorporate what one learns and
I am VERY grateful indeed. holla!!!!!!!!!!! and high five to ya both,

smiles fawn

kk.. in case you missed the question ...

what does K/E mean please?

thanks again, fawn

Hi Fawn, I am not sure but I think it is Kimmer Experiment for those who are transitioning from K/E to Atkins. I could very well be wrong - it's been known to happen a time or two!

Robin, you're right. That's exactly what I was talking about/referring to when I started this thread. When I started at Kimkins back in June it was one of the main diet plans - most seemed to follow either that or the original Kimkins.

I am slowly overcoming my fear of veggies. I even had a spinach salad and I'm planning on more of them.

Happy Loosing!

>>t will be hard but I can cut back from 3 to 4 cans a day to ONE... lawrd help me a sista gonna be hurtin'.>>

One "trick" is... talk to your food... ask it, "How are you going to help me achieve my goals"?

With some foods, you have to listen very very very hard...

I would have that conversation with the soda.


suellen

I drink both water and diet soda, Fawn, so HAVE AT IT!

So if you do this Atkins you basically count 20 carbs off of the list? You do not have to do the prescribed amount of veggies, two cups salad-1/2 cup list 2?

Jeri

Suellen,

thank you for the FABULOUS idea of "talking" to my food, asking it... how are you going to help me accomplish my goals?

that is a SLAMMIN" idea...... thank you so much for sharing that idea... thats awesome!!!! Suellen you are the BOMB!!!!

That sentence will keep me in focus and I thank you sincerely,

fawn

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fawn

hey guys glad you have come over from the darkside.

One big thing about the veggies is those cup limits were there to help teach us portion control and healthy food choices. eatting just lettuce isn't a good idea cause it limits the micronutrients we get from our carbs so having to have at least 1/2 our daily carb total from those acceptable veggies forced us to look beyond lettuce if we wanted eggs, spices and cheese too.

Jimmy got to disagree with you on those sodas. Dr Atkins said to limit our consumption of all sweetened products be it packets of Splenda or diet sodas to 3 manufacturer based servings. Induction is the time to kill our sweet tooth which help make all of us need Atkins in the first place. Once you have been eating foods without all the sugar you will be amazed at the sweetness of veggies and cooked meats. Our body is wired to respond to sweet tastes with insulin releases to process that sugar. When we don't get the sugar the released insulin reacts with the sugars in our blood stream to lower our blood sugar levles. the body then reacts to the lower blood sugar by telling us to eat even though we just ate a low carb food that was sweetened. Don't set yourself up for overeating because you feed your mouth sweets even low carb ones like diet soda.
Dr Atkins had a quote discussing the dessert recipes and it went like this desserts and sweets should be an occasional treat not an every day occurance. If you can follow that advice you will help yourself not be fighting the cravings for sweets daily.

happy low carbing

Oh, I don't have any qualms with anyone who wants to give up diet soda and other sugar-free alternatives to sugary treats. But for me, they have been a true godsend and an essential part of my success.

I drink 2-3 diet sodas per day, but I also drink close to a gallon of water every day, too. . .

One other thing to consider with diet sodas/iced tea/coffee: for some people, caffeine can trigger an insulin response similar to one triggered by sugar, which can cause increased appetite and some moderate blood sugar weirdness.

If neither of those issues apply to you, and sugar-free/low-carb beverages and sweets help you stay on track, then there shouldn't be any harm in consuming those products in moderation -- which is really what our end goal should be anyway, right?

Sara

I gave up soda almost 20 years ago, but I do love flavored carbonated waters and rarely, for a special treat, I will sweeten them.

There are slight variations among the 1992, 1998, and 2003 DANDR versions, and there are suggestions at atkins.com that were never included in any of the DANDR manuals.

We're here to support you with whatever version you like best.

Fawn, didn't you come over from Kimkins? Wouldn't you know what K/E is? HMMM