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Debo
Yay! biggrin.gif This is fantastic,Jimmy. Congratulations, and thank you.

I have an issue with Dr Meldrum's characterization of obesity as greed based. This seems to me a very shallow and unperceptive presentation of the obesity issue. Life can be hard and unfair. People have a survival instinct. There is a need to balance the downs and ups of life in order to keep on going forward. Food becomes a means of balance, not greed. Being unaware of the addictive nature of sugar, that positive life force effort toward balance spins into a tornado of compulsion,leading to diabesity, etc .

The greed in this epidemic roots back to the food manufacturers, drug companies, and advertising firms who are benefiting financially from this cycle, not the obese individual.

May I say it's a delight to have this new forum to serve as a source of strength, truth and balance, as the efforts to escape from the above paradigm stay "Moore-so" everpresent.
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Jimmy Moore
THANKS for your comments, Debo! I agree the industries that profit greatly from the obesity epidemic both coming (food companies) and going (drug companies) need to be closely scrutinized for their unsavory marketing and business practices.

But I have to come back to the individual and ask, "What are you doing to help yourself?" Personal responsibility is of the utmost importance in every area of our lives, especially our own health. That's why I created my blog to help provide information that may not be readily available to the masses who are just living their lives.

We do need to stop being lied to and I'll do my darndest to try to make that happen!

THANK YOu again for your very sweet remarks, Debo! SEE YA! tongue.gif
melodiegale
QUOTE (Debo @ Aug 4 2007, 06:30 AM)
Yay! biggrin.gif This is fantastic,Jimmy. Congratulations, and thank you.

I have an issue with Dr Meldrum's characterization of obesity as greed based. This seems to me a very shallow and unperceptive presentation of the obesity issue. Life can be hard and unfair. People have a survival instinct. There is a need to balance the downs and ups of life in order to keep on going forward. Food becomes a means of balance, not greed. Being unaware of the addictive nature of sugar, that positive life force effort toward balance spins into a tornado of compulsion,leading to diabesity, etc .

The greed in this epidemic roots back to the food manufacturers, drug companies, and advertising firms who are benefiting financially from this cycle, not the obese individual.

May I say it's a delight to have this new forum to serve as a source of strength, truth and balance, as the efforts to escape from the above paradigm stay "Moore-so" everpresent.

Debo,

I mean this in the kindest possible way, but the same argument could be made for cigarette companies. Every since I can remember, there have been warnings on the cigarette packages, and tons of information out there about the dangers of cigarette smoking, and yet people still try to sue the cigarette companies.

There is no question that big business uses some very shady practices to promote their goods (yes, the darker side of capitalism), but with freedome comes choice, and I think it is up to the individual to educate themselves enough to make some good ones.

Just like the lady who tried to sue McDonald's because her kid was fat. Well I say, who drove the kid to McDonald's everyday? It's really is a matter of personal responsibility.

If something is making you fat, then you must make the decision each and every day to continue with that behavior or change it. But I don't think a healthcare system should have to pay for peoples bad choices in life such as smoking, overeating or doing drugs. I know that is just my opionion and everybody's got one.
Jimmy Moore
Great analogy Melodie! wink.gif
diamondwife
Standing ovation for Melodie. Personal responsibility is so important and surprisingly discounted by so many people. I was fat because I ate too much (and the wrong stuff too) and sat on my butt to much. It was my fault and I fixed/am fixing it. Blaming corporations and/or advertisers is ridiculous.
Jimmy Moore
I get hammered for advocating people take responsibility for themselves, but it is the right thing to do. THANKS, Lisa!
melodiegale
Poor Guy! You take a lot of heat sometimes. LOL!!
q_wonk
I think you guys may be jumping on Debo for something that she did not say.

I read her remark about greed just to mean that if there was greed in the food-drug-obesity cycle, it was on the part of the producers and drug companies. I did not get that she was BLAMING THEM for our obesity, but that they were greedily exploiting the situation.

Just my take.
melodiegale
QUOTE (q_wonk @ Aug 7 2007, 01:06 PM)
I think you guys may be jumping on Debo for something that she did not say.

I read her remark about greed just to mean that if there was greed in the food-drug-obesity cycle, it was on the part of the producers and drug companies. I did not get that she was BLAMING THEM for our obesity, but that they were greedily exploiting the situation.

Just my take.

I didn't really read it that way, but even if that is the case, the best way to beat them is to vote with your feet. If I don't like something be it drugs, food, clothes or widgets, I just don't buy it and I encourage others to do the same.

The nice thing about our country and this forum, is we can agree to disagree. blink.gif
Dave
People are not fat because they are greedy. That is very simplistic.

I know in my case, there were many factors:-


1. Insulin resistance inducing medications prescibed by Doctors (with no education about the effects)
2. Mental abuse from the wider community towards fat people
3. Personal Emotional Issues
4. Our Junk Food/Fast Food Society/world
5. and teh Biggest one: THE LOW FAT LIE!!


If I wanted to pick the biggest culprit, I would pick the pushing of low fat starvation diets.

They caused my metabolism so much damage!
melodiegale
QUOTE (Dave @ Aug 7 2007, 05:55 PM)
People are not fat because they are greedy. That is very simplistic.

I know in my case, there were many factors:-


1. Insulin resistance inducing medications prescibed by Doctors (with no education about the effects)
2. Mental abuse from the wider community towards fat people
3. Personal Emotional Issues
4. Our Junk Food/Fast Food Society/world
5. and teh Biggest one: THE LOW FAT LIE!!


If I wanted to pick the biggest culprit, I would pick the pushing of low fat starvation diets.

They caused my metabolism so much damage!

I totally agree with you about the low fat lie.
q_wonk
QUOTE (melodiegale @ Aug 7 2007, 06:16 PM)
QUOTE (Dave @ Aug 7 2007, 05:55 PM)
People are not fat because they are greedy. That is very simplistic.

I know in my case, there were many factors:-


1. Insulin resistance inducing medications prescibed by Doctors (with no education about the effects)
2. Mental abuse from the wider community towards fat people
3. Personal Emotional Issues
4. Our Junk Food/Fast Food Society/world
5. and teh Biggest one: THE LOW FAT LIE!!


If I wanted to pick the biggest culprit, I would pick the pushing of low fat starvation diets.

They caused my metabolism so much damage!

I totally agree with you about the low fat lie.

And I completly agree with you Melodie, and with Dave.
The Low Fat Lie has damaged more people than we will ever know.

I also agree completly with you about the personal responsibility too. We do not have to "agree to disagree" there.
The Bunnell Farm
Being fat 'manifests' it's self as greedy as in pigging out over and over and again and again and eating huge portions time after time, etc etc. Skinny people don't do this so therefore we are greedy!

Both fat and skinny people have the exact same sugar and carbohydrate addiction, therefore we fat people are just greedy!

Skinny and average people have learned how to manage there 'high' without it's compulsive tendencies. They will eat normal and average amounts rather than eating themselves into obviation. They have not lost control!

The last known tribe of South American indigenous people were found a number of years ago.(1960?) The missionaries and scientists spent quite some time in approaching them. The natives wanted no contact with these outsiders however after a time and trying different types of baiting on them they succumbed to these enticements.

They gave them large amounts of there sugary foods, among other things. The natives took the food they gave them and went up on the hill and watched and ate.

They ate until they heaved and then ate some more and then heaved again. The scientists were astonished, they had never seen such behavior. They hypothesized that they didn't carry or store food with them in there climate and lifestyle and that they weren't used to such abundance and that is why they thought they might have done that.

I think that culture shock may have been a factor.

Were they greedy!
diamondwife
QUOTE (The Bunnell Farm @ Aug 8 2007, 06:32 AM)

Both fat and skinny people have the exact same sugar and carbohydrate addiction, therefore we fat people are just greedy!

Skinny and average people have learned how to manage there 'high' without it's compulsive tendencies. They will eat normal and average amounts rather than eating themselves into obviation. They have not lost control!


So EVERYONE is carb addicted...yeah, right!
The Bunnell Farm
Absolutely, if this fact has gotten past you then you are in for a surprise!
diamondwife
It's not a fact, it's a theory. You believe it, I don't...
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